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Today two dead Israeli soldiers have been returned to Israel by Hezbollah who kidnapped them before the Lebanon war. Their kidnapping was the official reason for the war, but was it also the factual reason?

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Thinker221 month, 3 weeks ago

> Today two dead Israeli soldiers have been returned to Israel by Hezbollah who kidnapped them before the Lebanon war. Their kidnapping was the official reason for the war, but was it also the factual reason?
No, it was not the official reason for the war, nor was it a factual one. The kidnapping (and subsequent murder) of Israeli soldiers was the last drop that filled the bucket of Israeli patience; a provocation that followed hundreds of similar provocations during the preceding years; an act of war that if not responded to would be followed by more kidnappings and murders.
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  wasntme1 month, 3 weeks ago
  
  Your boring recycled lies and recycled Israeli government lines are so educational..thanks for the effort...!!
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    Thinker221 month, 3 weeks ago
    
    You're very welcome.
    About lies... Can you point on ONE example of MY lies if you don't mind?
    A LIE is a knowingly false statement. A LIAR is one who does not believe in his/her own words.
    A perfect EXAMPLE OF A LIE is the following:
    "Israel's last military victory was 40 years ago and ever since they have lost every military conflict they have been in."
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      hyperbola1 month, 3 weeks ago
      
      You regurgitate zionist lies almost every time you post here thinker. In fact, the Israeli Prime Minister even says you are lying here.
      """In March of 2007 Israeli Prime Minister Olmert admitted to the Winograd Commission that approximately three months before the Lebanon War he gave his permission for the operation by accepting a plan from his then-chief of staff Dan Halutz. Shortly after the kidnapping and in the midst of hostilities between Israel and Hezbollah, Halutz sold off his shares, and in so doing avoided the losses that occurred when the market fell by ten percent as a result of the war that followed. Olmert made his admission to the commission in order to demonstrate that the dramatic loss of the war was not due to ill preparedness."""
      
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        Edmar141 month, 3 weeks ago
        
        In all reality, it is you Hyperbola who is the champ at regurgitating lies. You use every garbage can web publication to make some retarded attempt at legitimizing your agenda. Unfortunately, most people here recognize your folly and in fact, it actually has the reverse effect. I doubt that you have much education since you can't argue your own arguments without the power of Google. Recognizing that, most of the people reading your threads are either refusing to respond to what they know is obscene or they are laughing at you. In either case, you are the loser and you aren't even smart enough to recognize it. It gives me a good laugh because in the final analysis, I know that Israel will survive long after Hyperbola is gone and forgotten.
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        hyperbola1 month, 2 weeks ago
        
        Poor Edmar, his vile zionist racist ethnic cleansing program is condemned even by the majority of american jews and this is the best he can come up with!
        Want to make a bet that the second jewish empire in Palestine will not outlast the one century lifetime of the first one (that of David)?
        The world has progressed even though the zionists are still stuck in nazi-style ideology ("master races", "subhumans", "living space for the master race", "ethnic cleansing / genocide for the subhumans").
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        wasntme1 month, 2 weeks ago
        
        It is funny how Eddy pops his top every time you expose their recycled LIES. This time he really lost it and got all personal , he always gets personal in his comments with you but this time you must have really touched a raw nerve in him. it is sad these people are so dedicated to EVIL causes and agenda, another proff that Bin Laden and his thugs are not the only fanatic ones , he's got company in places and among people he would have never imagined .
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        Thinker221 month, 2 weeks ago
        
        > It is funny how Eddy pops his top every time you expose their recycled LIES.
        It is even funnier that YOU were unable to find even A SINGLE EXAMPLE of those "recycled LIES" despite repeated requests.
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        wasntme1 month, 2 weeks ago
        
        Spare us the irrelevance. You have established yourself as the master of IRRELEVANCE.
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    Thinker221 month, 2 weeks ago
    
    > Your boring recycled lies ...
    It seems that neither 'wasntme' nor anyone else is able to point on ONE example of MY lies making the statement above ("Your boring recycled lies ...") A LIE.
    No wonder.
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      hyperbola1 month, 2 weeks ago
      
      Nah, your continuous zionist lies are so blatantly racist that one grows bored with shooting you down over and over and over.
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        wasntme1 month, 2 weeks ago
        
        Don't expect him to stop his IRRELEVANT stuff . Master of IRRELEVANCE will always be the way he is.
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        Thinker221 month, 2 weeks ago
        
        I do not expect YOU to find even one example of "MY lies", brother...
        It hurts, does not it?
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wasntme1 month, 3 weeks ago

All those neocons who still believe in delusions should remember one fact and that is Israel's last military victory was 40 years ago and ever since they have lost every military conflict they have been in. Considering the fact that Israel has received some of the most advanced weapon system from US along with billions and billions of dollars and an endless supply of all sorts of modern and suppppaaaaaa modern armament from uncle Sam, all these military defeats should point to a deeper and a more fundamental problem among Israelis. Israel was dubbed the military superpower of the Middle East and yet it could not even defeat a well trained dedicated small army of Hizbullah.
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  Thinker221 month, 3 weeks ago
  
  > Israel was dubbed the military superpower of the Middle East and yet it could not even defeat a well trained dedicated small army of Hizbullah.
  This is correct. The reason is NOT the "weakness" of the Israeli military but the difference in moral values between the Jews and the Arabs. The Jews value life (including the lives of Lebanese Arabs) much higher than the "well trained dedicated small army of Hizbullah" that was and still is using civilians as shields.
  Neither Israel nor any other milirary on the planet has developed an effective enough tactic to fight gangs of murderers hiding behind their own women and children. This is the reason the US is mired in both Afghanistan and Iraq. This is the reason Hezbollah and Hamas still exist.
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    hyperbola1 month, 3 weeks ago
    
    What you mean is that even the zionists are held back by the threat that the world will put an end to their racist ethnic cleansing. Jews may value life and human rights, but pseudo-jewish zionists value life in the same way as Nazis (a "master race", "subhumans", "living space for the master race", "ethnic cleansing / genocide for the subbhumans").
    Frankly it is time for Americans to start listening to real jews instead of to you pseudo-jewish zionist killers - especially when you try to involve Americans in your crimes against humanity.
    
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      hyperbola1 month, 3 weeks ago
      
      Turning the Tables on the Israel-Firsters
      
      Politics â;; American Israel-firsters have long since dropped any pretense of loyalty to the US. They have moved brazenly into the Israel first, last, and always camp. Americans must now begin taking their country back. As long as the Israel-firsters can define the limits of acceptable public discourse, Americans are on their way to the slaughter.
      
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        hyperbola1 month, 3 weeks ago
        
        ... Sen. Joseph Lieberman, Norman Podhoretz, Victor Davis Hanson, the Rev. Franklin Graham, Alan Dershowitz, Rudy Giuliani, Douglas Feith, the Rev. Rod Parsley, Paul Wolfowitz, James Woolsey, Bill Kristol, the Rev. John Hagee, and the thousands of wealthy supporters of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) appear to care about the United States only so far as Washington is willing to provide immense, unending funding and the lives of young U.S. service personnel to protect Israel. These individuals and their all-for-Israel journals Ã¢;; Commentary, National Review, the Weekly Standard, and the Wall Street Journal Ã¢;; amount to nothing less than a fifth column intent on involving 300 million Americans in other peoples' religious wars, making them pay and bleed to protect a nation in which the United States has no genuine national security interest at stake....
        
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        hyperbola1 month, 3 weeks ago
        
        The Israel-firsters started the Iraq war and now have the United States locked into an occupation of that country that may not end in any of our lifetimes. Unless Americans ignore the likes of Hanson, Podhoretz, Lieberman, Woolsey, and Wolfowitz, the cost in blood and treasure will ultimately bankrupt America.
        ...American voters must start using the democratic process to begin removing themselves from the religious war known as the Arab-Israeli conflict. Disengagement will take time, hard work, and a steadfast commitment to the rule of law. Three actions are well within the voters' capability, and their use would bring pressure on federal officials to stop killing America's children in wars between Arabs and Israelis.
        
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        hyperbola1 month, 3 weeks ago
        
        1. Voters should press federal representatives to end taxpayer funding for the National Endowment for Democracy and other such organizations. These organizations' main function is to promote the fallacy that U.S. interests are served by making sure that Israel Ã¢;; "the embattled island of democracy in the Middle East" Ã¢;; is protected, and that the lives of American children should be joyfully spent to bring democracy to foreigners in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, and elsewhere.
        2. Voters should not vote for any candidate for federal office who accepts contributions from AIPAC or any other Israel-first organization. This decision would be an important step in beginning to sweep clean the Augean stable that is American politics.
        
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        hyperbola1 month, 3 weeks ago
        
        3. Voters of all faiths must press their religious leaders to regularly, publicly, and specifically denounce the evangelical Protestant preachers whose fire-and-brimstone support for Israel involves Americans in religious wars in which U.S. interests are not threatened.
        Neutralizing the Israel-first fifth column must be done, but it must be accomplished using legitimate democratic tools: voting, lobbying, free speech, and support for candidates pledged to keep America out of other peoples' religious wars. The invocation of the anti-Semite epithet by the Israel-firsters should be ignored. To be silenced by the slurs of the Israel-firsters is to ignominiously invite the end of American independence by subordinating U.S. interests to those of a foreign nation...
        http://politics.propeller.com/story/2008/07/16/...
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