Moshing for Jesus at "Christian Woodstock" »
Posted By STONERS 3 months, 1 week ago in NewsA music festival with heavy metal, punk, hip-hop and pop music might seem like an unusual place to get baptized, but Creation is a festival with strict rules: no alcohol, no drugs and no sex before marriage.
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STONERS3 months, 1 week ago
"It's like the Christian version of Woodstock, basically, except it's neat and clean," said Victor Gibson, 37, from Manheim, Pennsylvania, who brought his wife and five children aged from five to 14 to the four-day festival."
"Take a look back at the crowd," he said, as thousands of fans held their arms in the air, pounding out the beat of a song by Christian band Kutless, whose sound Gibson likened to Metallica. "No rioting, no fighting, nobody getting beat up."
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tanglang3 months, 1 week ago
I would have actually gone to this had I known about it sooner. I really would have liked to see these two bands again. Perhaps next year.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB5fV_Pewlg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkXPw_lorew
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vor3 months, 1 week ago
"We're five individual guys who have really experienced what the Bible and what the Gospel talks about in meeting Jesus Christ personally,"
They met Jesus personally? Unless there is some time travel device I am unaware of is this really possible? Amazing the deceptions religion creates. They have never met any such being.
Sure there is a feeling in the air and there is the presence of something but you just can't quite put your finger on it. Is it really the Flying Spaghetti Monster? Or could it be the age old phenomenon of mass group belief. Especially considering the whole event revolves around believing in God. Surely he would then make an appearance? Just as when Benny Hinn preaches someone is going to get healed. Would be pretty disappointing otherwise, wouldn't it? But of course both events are illusions. No God makes an appearance, nor is anyone really healed. If reality is discouraged believing the myths then becomes critical, they become the new reality.
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bigurn3 months, 1 week ago
Even if their belief is completely erred, is any real harm being done? They are moving the economy, having fun, and no one is on drugs or getting beat up. Sounds like a decent time.
"Meeting Jesus personally" means a deep understanding of Christianity, and specifically of what scripture is trying to convey. No one expects time travel; that's a pretty funny suggestion.
At the original Woodstock, there were a number of passing religious mentions. Faith was a lot more common and mainstream then.
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AnteUp3 months, 1 week ago
bigurn ~
You ask, "is there any real harm being done?"
FTA:..."felt like the United States was heading towards a "spiritual war."
That type of thinking scares me. Seems to me that too many
believers are no longer content with just the freedom to worship. They want MORE. They have become ungrateful of
the freedom of worship they enjoy and want to see if they
can use their political clout to RULE. That type of America
would be a betrayal of what we stand for, if you will - a
foreign concept for freedom-loving Americans.
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hamy3 months, 1 week ago
But religions have done a lot to marginalize themselves. They are becoming more and more exclusive of others rather than sending messages of inclusiveness. That is why people are moving away from them.
Things like this, or those Jesus camps for indoctrinating children, or the televangelist preachers getting caught stealing, or Catholic priests molesting children are turning people away from organized religions.
And couldn't you say the same thing, "is any real harm being done?" about a lot of things that modern churches are railing against?
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bigurn3 months, 1 week ago
Origin, you must have a different text than me. Jesus had a home. Jesus understood private property and ownership. He advocated some truly astonishing things in his time, namely that people simply treat each other as they would be treated. This was revolutionary to Imperial Rome, and an affront to the Jewish religious hierarchy.
No, I'm not an anti-semite. The above is historical fact.
Jesus Christ would not fit neatly into any political box. His life was clearly apolitical.
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Lincoln853 months, 1 week ago
Jesus was not a pacifist, he tore apart the temple after seeing people violating the church. Jesus also commanded to render to Ceasar what is his regarding taxes and money. Jesus believed in people supporting themselves and their family. How you could compare him to communism...a philosophy that not only has failed but resulted in a remarkable amount of death..is well...sophmoric. I am envisioning your hate of "god" and "religion" as a reflection of misguided professors, school teachers, and even your parents. May God still bless you.
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AnteUp3 months, 1 week ago
Just for curiosity sake?
I have no doubt someone wearing a yarmulke would have been
welcomed as a brother to this gathering. We must consider
the strong ties that have developed between Israel and the
Christian Zionists. So, no problem there - well, not until
the end of days - eh?
But what do you suppose the reaction would have been if,
say a spouse of a Christian - but a follower of another
religion, would have shown up wearing a head scarf?
Well, we can only pray that Christian kindness would
have been extended. I have my doubts. Religious hysteria
and reason are seldom compatible, IMO. I have always felt
more comfortable knowing that, in America, we have the
Constitution as our foundation to help us sort these
issues out and lead us in the right direction.
I feel these days, sadly............not so much.
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Bacalao3 months, 1 week ago
Is Christian "moshing" any thing like the ol' punk rock moshing we did in the pit back in the 80's? If not how could it be called moshing? consider when I discovered moshing I didn't drink or do drugs, I was also a virgin at the time. So there you have the three NOs. And yet there was an insane amount of violence, usually not against others but upon oneself. Is violence O.K., but not alcohol(not even wine)?
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zasf3 months, 1 week ago
Well there you are. That's the 80s, this is now. This article tries make it seem family friendly - I assure you, it isn't. I saw The Devil Wears Prada at Warped Tour (they're a christian metalcore band.) There's pushing, shoving, punching, what have you. Don't read one single article and think you're an expert.
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Origin3 months, 1 week ago
ok, its 2008. its been 2000 years since this dude died on a cross, allegedly. When is humanity gonna wake up and throw off the yolk of tyranny and oppression. Religion is evil. Anything that controls you is oppression. Your own mind is your own god. Think for yourself. Swallowing the pill of ignorrance based on a faith that it outdated, irrelevant and obnoxiously fantanstical is not something to be proud of. These people are brainwashed and thus utterly useless.
The same goes for Jews, muslims, buddists and hindus, just to name a few.
Religion is the breeding ground for hatred and ignorrance. Control and power is all these religions aspire to. Secular people wake up. Its time to fight these maniacs with a constitutional amendment that taxes all religions, bans them from encroaching on the secular population and end funding of any kind to their sick and greedy mouths.
i dont need religion, god bless no one.
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ppiittuu3 months, 1 week ago
you sure you don't need help? i hear pain in your ramblings. seriously reconsider. by the way, think about this clearly - bigotry is expressed in all sorts of ways...
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TonyByron3 months, 1 week ago
"When is humanity gonna wake up and throw off the yolk of tyranny and oppression. Religion is evil. Anything that controls you is oppression. Your own mind is your own god."
Where do you get your morals (if you have any)? Morals generally come from religion and laws come from morals.
Would you suggest anarchy as a better system?
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cloud153 months, 1 week ago
"Religion is the breeding ground for hatred and ignorrance."
"Its time to fight these maniacs with a constitutional amendment that taxes all religions, bans them from encroaching on the secular population and end funding of any kind to their sick and greedy mouths."
It would seem you are more of a breeding ground for hate and ignorance. But the lord will forgive you. He will grant you eternal salvation in heaven and you will ask for forgiveness for forsaking him.
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Lincoln853 months, 1 week ago
Christ would have died in 33. A testimony to our public education system regarding history.
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Mutainia3 months, 1 week ago
I bet you feel that if we could all just be atheists, knowing we only a few decades of life only, that we were here by accident and there are no absolutes, things would be far more peaceful, huh? NO "grabbing for the gusto", true?
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toph19733 months, 1 week ago
Seeing that religious people are sheeple, shouldn't it be Baashing? I don;t know about the band becquse all of the bleating drowned out the band.
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Itachirumon3 months, 1 week ago
I wonder if a gay walked into their midst... Would he come out a sheeple, or would they have killed him? You know how it goes, Woodstock wasn't supposed to have pot originally (If'in I've got my music history memory right) but everybody disregarded the rule. Does that mean these guys would disregard the rule of "no violence" when the gay comes up? Backroom torture conversions? I think they could get him to agree to whatever they wanted by just playing their crappy music
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doggammit3 months, 1 week ago
Yessir! Procurement and peddling are major themes in American religious circles these days. Theme parks too - it seems. Now we're into Bobble-Head-banging Jesus and BIblical action figures - a sure fire sign of other insecurities. Iconoclasts armed with Zippos and pocket knives would have a field day with all the little dollies. I guess one person's Mosh is another person's mush.
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Lincoln853 months, 1 week ago
Why do people condemn others that are trying to do right whether it is for Jesus or not?.... The hate from the left seems so telling that they make themselves transparent. Jesus , religion, and the Bible reflect an idea of absolute truths and people hate that. It forces the proverbial finger back at them to judge themselves. The defense mechanism is to mock and make fun of God and anyone who believes in Him. You will be the same liberal men that vote in a islamic extremist into government and then cry out "what have I done", when they come to behead you because you don't bow down to their god...allah. but of course being a liberal...you won't get beheaded because you will bow down as long as that is the general consensus and because the polls say to do it.
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cloud153 months, 1 week ago
"Why do people condemn others that are trying to do right whether it is for Jesus or not?.... The hate from the left seems so telling that they make themselves transparent. Jesus , religion, and the Bible reflect an idea of absolute truths and people hate that. It forces the proverbial finger back at them to judge themselves. The defense mechanism is to mock and make fun of God and anyone who believes in Him."
Good!
You will be the same liberal men that vote in a islamic extremist into government and then cry out "what have I done", when they come to behead you because you don't bow down to their god...allah. but of course being a liberal...you won't get beheaded because you will bow down as long as that is the general consensus and because the polls say to do it.
Bad!
You just had to go and ruin what started off as a great post.
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doggammit3 months, 1 week ago
Perhaps the question is not so much which "god" a person believes in - but whether or not our actions on earth inspire His belief and confidence in mankind - a mutual affirmation of sorts and of course the basis for a spiritual consensus that neither knows nor respects dogmatic limits, labels, artificial boarders or insincere persons. Nikos Kazantzakis - "The Saviours of God" and also the author of "Zorba the Greek" takes this approach. You can also find it in the gospels if you care to look for it... something about "becoming as gods". Just another Impossible Dream Jesus or the writers of the gospels had before breakfast one day? HA!
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Lincoln853 months, 1 week ago
cloud15, I guess we can split the difference and poll everyone . Thanks for the original good comment, and I can understand why the last part of it you called bad. I appreciate the honest debate. Thanks for not just giving it a negative rating and moving on. Even if you don't think so...I am willing to re-evaluate my views at any given time. I will admit..I have come across a handful of people on here that did cause me to re-evaluate and use some critical thinking skills about my beliefs. Have my core beliefs changed from that...I would say probably not. But I am still open.
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