US Military Officers Challenge "official Bush version". »
Posted By expursuit 3 months, 3 weeks ago in NewsThe Pakistan newspaper "Pakistan Daily" has recently published a powerful article entitled "USA Military Officers Challenge Official Account of September 11" . This article succinctly presents the views of 25 outstanding, courageous, US military officers who have spoken out against the Bush Administration lies about the 9/11 at
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hurr13 months, 3 weeks ago
I believe the 911 commision said it was the intense fire from the jet fuel AND in combination with the massive destruction from the planes impact that brought the towers down. And if you haven't been around burning jet fuel you can't imagine the destruction it causes. I was aboard an aircraft carrier in the Navy and when the planes crashed on the deck the fuel in their tanks would explode like the bombs.
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libsRfunny3 months, 3 weeks ago
"The article is 100% correct. As a degreed engineer, planes could not possibly have brought down the Twin Towers"
How many cereal box tops did you send in to become a "degreed engineer"? You have to be a complete nut to think any of that conspiracy BS has a shred of validity.
http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7236
"Sunder told a press conference that newly developed fireproofing could perhaps have sustained the structure for longer. 'Even with the aeroplane impact and jet-fuel-ignited multi-floor fires - which are not normal building fires - the buildings would likely not have collapsed had it not been for the fireproofing that had been dislodged,' he says."
I'll trust real scientists and engineers over whack-jobs any day. Yeah, the entire news media, the Bush administration, Al Qaeda and many others conspired to pull off 9/11. Those terrorists were in the U.S. long before Bush took office. Friggin' nut-jobs.
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unome23 months, 3 weeks ago
As usual. your crappy two bit article fails to mention building 7, the 47 story building never hit by a plane which also collapseed at free fall speed late on the afternoon of 9-11.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5akpnIFK-RM
The truth shall set us free.
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NoSpinDave3 months, 3 weeks ago
"The Pakistan newspaper "Pakistan Daily" "
Ahh, yes, Pakistan....the bastion of the free and totally unbiased press.
PUUUUULEASE!!
Nuff said.
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walden33 months, 3 weeks ago
This is interesting. I don't believe that we were told the truth of what really happened on 9/11.
Why is Big Media afraid to touch this story? There is no independent press any longer. This is the largest story in our life time because of everything that's been done by our government behind the shroud of 9/11.
"If the 9-11 Commission is really looking for a smoking gun, it should look no further than at Lieutenant-General Mahmoud Ahmad, the director of the Pakistani Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) at the time."
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/FD08Aa0...
"But as far as the 9-11 Commission is concerned, and at least for the moment, the White House got what it wanted. Bush and Cheney will have a private conversation with the commission as a tandem, not under oath, and behind closed doors. This testimony won't be recorded. The commission will hardly have more than two or three hours..."
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/FD07Aa0...
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Charlson3 months, 3 weeks ago
Our government has been reluctant to really investigate 9/11 and that alone leads me to think that it has something to hide.
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hyperbola3 months, 3 weeks ago
It is worth looking at the original article. Shouldn't we support the troops?
USA Military Officers Challenge Official Account of September 11
Twenty-five former U.S. military officers have severely criticized the official account of 9/11 and called for a new investigation. They include former commander of U.S. Army Intelligence, Major General Albert Stubblebine, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense, Col. Ronald D. Ray, two former staff members of the Director of the National Security Agency; Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, PhD, and Major John M. Newman, PhD, and many others. They are among the rapidly growing number of military and intelligence service veterans, scientists, engineers, and architects challenging the government's story. The officers' statements appear below, listed alphabetically....
http://www.daily.pk/world/americas/3865-usa-mil...
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mackiemesser3 months, 3 weeks ago
I read your link and while I still can't bring myself to accept that our government was responsible for the heinous events, these military men asked some rather pointed, intelligent and provocative questions. The one doubt that was expressed that I am in full accord with was the former pilot who questioned the expertise of beginner pilots with only a few hours of flight instruction maneuvering an airliner over the terrain surrounding the Pentagon to strike a wall of that low lying building. I've lived near the Pentagon for years, worked at the Pentagon for 4 years and worked across the street from the Pentagon for many more years and I marvelled on 9/11 that someone was able to maneuver a large plane over hills, highrise buildings, a raised interstate highway and trees to strike the side of a 5 story building that lay below all of the aforementioned. That one still amazes me.
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hyperbola3 months, 3 weeks ago
I also retain an open mind. However, keep in mind that we know for a fact that the Pentagon has previously planned terrorist attacks inside America to justify a foreign war.
Operation Northwoods
Operation Northwoods, or Northwoods, was a U.S false flag plan from 1962 as a "preliminary submission suitable for planning purposes" for the agenda of generating U.S. public support for military action against the Cuban government of Fidel Castro. The plan says, "The desired resultant from the execution of this plan would be to place the United States in the apparent position of suffering defensible grievances from a rash and irresponsible government of Cuba and to develop an international image of a Cuban threat to peace in the Western Hemisphere." Operation Northwoods was drafted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff and signed by the Chairman Lyman Lemnitzer, to the Secretary of Defense.
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unome23 months, 3 weeks ago
It seems America needs to take a closer look at the mass murder that occured on September 11 2001.
Fortunatly there is no statute of limitations on murder, however I am not sure if a sitting president can pardon himself for a capital crime.
And for all the Bush cheer leaders who would suggest that anyone who questions their government's role on this fateful day is "in their words" wearing a tin foil hat, I would only say that if all of the high ranking military, seasoned pilots , architects and engineers have questions than maybe America's problem has nothing to do with tin foil.
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cloud153 months, 3 weeks ago
I thought we were past this on this site....been a while since one of these stories surfaced.
Everyone, dust of the hats, were back!
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unome23 months, 3 weeks ago
Sorry Cloud man, What exactly did you think we were passed.
I thought this was still a cold case file.
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onlyonesecret3 months, 3 weeks ago
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, the ancient Greek philosopher Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous information in the first place.
Not surprisingly, this type of teaching didn't sit well with the ruling elite of Greece.
It's never easy being an independent thinker!
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truthiness3 months, 3 weeks ago
FTA
"9/11 was scripted and executed by rogue elements of the military, FAA, intelligence, and private contractors working for the US government. ..."
this is the part of the theory I have a problem with. that is an awful lot of people to keep a secret. not a single person has come forward? not one contractor to say, "I laid bombs in the towers" not a single ATC employee to say "I was ordered not to sound the alert." it just seems so improbable.
I believe the Bush admin knew it was coming and did nothing, primarily b/c of testimony given by FBI agents to that effect.
I believe cheney is capable of doing this to us.
but I don't believe this happened as a result of intent. primarily b/c they have proven themselves incapable of running an efficient operation or keeping people in line (how many insiders have written tell all books in the last 5 years without mention of this?)
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truthiness3 months, 3 weeks ago
while the blogger tends to go a bit astray, you don't think the people quoted deserve some measure of credibility?
you know I once asked all of these questions seriously until being convinced of my current point of view in a group discussion we both took part in. when men of standing, such as those quoted herein, are asking the same questions, doesn't that make you wonder at all.
these aren't actors or politicos, these are military leaders and pilots and engineers, something must be amiss in the situation. no?
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SonOfTheMask3 months, 3 weeks ago
Truthi, I've spent more time than I care to admit in doing my own research on most of the issues brought up. The information is there to address these things. When you start seeing the same old "airplane gas can't burn steel" and "the towers fell at free fall speed" and "Cheney told NORAD to stand down" BS...you know it's a mishmash of crap.
That's how I see it. If the troofers want to call me names, it won't be anything I haven't seen before, for sure.
As far as whether these specific guys and gals get "extra" attention because they are military, no not really. They insist they have special knowledge but don't really demonstrate anything. For example, several insist that the hijacked planes would be intercepted but don't really provide specific reasons why. It's just "cuz I say so". Do the research and you'll see that they are wrong.
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silvera3 months, 3 weeks ago
I wouldn't put anything past this administration but I'm not a big conspiracy theorist and I can't imagine such a collection of inept bunglers pulling off something of this magnitude. Having said this I will always have this nagging feeling, "HOW DAMNED CONVENIENT"! If it hadn't been for 9/11 we might still have have a constitution and G.W. Bush would be cutting brush.
Now we have an energy crisis and Bush wants to rape what's left of the environment and hand a big paycheck to his oil buddies. "HOW DAMNED CONVENIENT"!
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doggammit3 months, 3 weeks ago
Agreed, silvera - too many hand in glove conveniences tumble out of the big picture to make all of them appear inconspicuous or unrelated. The fact that doubts have been repeatedly raised by experts who stand to gain nothing from their efforts is just as conspicuous.
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cushi3 months, 3 weeks ago
I think total sociopathic behavior is being viewed as ineptitude. Cheney and crew are not stupid or inept. They simply don't give a da mn about anything and anyone but their own agenda! I suppose it's easier to think of them as bunglers rather than cold, heartless sociopaths, but imho, that's exactly what they are.
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SonOfTheMask3 months, 3 weeks ago
The ludicrous idea here is the myth that this terrorist attack was planned by a man in a cave. It was not. It was well-orchestrated over many years by intelligent men. Bin Laden wasn't relegated to hiding out in caves until after we invaded Afghanistan. Al Qaeda as a whole and the hijackers specifically had well-educated folks among them. Don't buy into the troofer myth that these terrorists couldn't formulate such an attack because we like to think they are the subhuman idiot cannon fodder you used to see in Schwarzenegger films. They're not.
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