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Posted By Alexia 4 months, 3 weeks ago in NewsA small but startling sign welcomed the gun lovers who arrived at the National Rifle Association's annual gathering Friday. "Firearms WILL NOT be allowed in Hall A during the Celebration of American Values Leadership Forum."
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BronxBomber4 months, 3 weeks ago
"It's supposed to be about freedom," said Anne-Marie Biggins of Bethpage as she stood with Brian O'Connor of Farmingdale."
Right! After all, this is America, or at least I thought it was...
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GHOSTWHOWALKS4 months, 3 weeks ago
This is America BB but not when the great leader is on hand to put for his golden rhetoric on why he feels the common people have no rights. After all, one might be able to nick his pompous arse and there by watch him deflate like a balloon.
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libsRfunny4 months, 3 weeks ago
I can see a valid reason for the secret service not wanting people armed and close to a presidential candidate. It only takes one loony.
The right to bear arms and CCW permits do acknowledge the rights of various business owners and public entities to say: not in this building. You can carry on your person on the streets, in your car, in many grocery stores - although the stores can say no. Even in many churches, but not in schools, not in most if not all banks, etc, etc.
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CRYMTYPHON4 months, 3 weeks ago
The point is, it only takes one loony to kill ANY of us.
If the guy in the movie next to me, or on the bus, or in the check-out line, is packing heat and is feeling mean about it, I have to swallow the risk?
But McCain doesn't?
This is in line with senator's special health benefits, retirement benefits, and various exemptions from mere laws on discrimination and parking tickets.
THEY want to be safe in crowded places with angry people.
We have to take our chances.
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tkyrchncs4 months, 3 weeks ago
I am not sure how it works in other states, but the right to carry in VA is pretty universal, except in churches, schools, bars or restaurants serving alcohol, and government offices. The concealed carry permit only lets you carry concealed, where those with no permit may carry openly. Some businesses post signs about it, but basically, if your place of business is accessible to the public, it falls under the laws above, and it is only courtesy to the owners/management that prohibits carrying, not their signs. VA permits are reciprocal with TN and perhaps other states too.
"I can see a valid reason for the secret service not wanting people armed and close to a presidential candidate." Well I can see why they would WANT that too. I can also see why they would want a piece of chocolate cake. It doesn't mean they should get something, just because they want it.
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Aidenag4 months, 3 weeks ago
I love guns, knives, and the 2nd amendment as much as the next guy, in fact i own a nice little arsenal myself.. But i really don't get what the big deal is here. This was an event with a presidential candidate at it...
Nobody in their right mind would allow weapons to be brought into an event with a presidential candidate speaking. It's been like this for a long, long, long time... If the NRA, and or its members have such a problem with it, they should have not had the candidate come and speak at the event in the first place.
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LittleBuckieVP434 months, 3 weeks ago
Duz yer pappy no yer runnin round wid his guns? And why come yer out heer in da furst place. Yer possed ta be in front of da griddle cooking yer man some cornbread and greens. Iffin you was cooking dem greens you woodn't hav to go round carrin guns to pertect yerself. Now go on and git woman!
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eugenegerard4 months, 3 weeks ago
I think this policy went into effect when Bob Barr was at one of these functions and discharged an "unloaded" weapon nearly killing people close to him.
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LittleBuckieVP434 months, 3 weeks ago
Whut in dagnammit is goin on heer! How is dey possed to clean dey nails when deys in der wid out dey nifes. Dese dam fools don no nuttin bout all the ways dem nifes is needed. Dam fools caint go takin a mans nife. It jus aint rite!
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greenmac4 months, 3 weeks ago
I find it hard to comprehend why an armed society is necessary. How is it that the US is like this and your neighbor to your north is just the opposite? There must be reasons for the violence and the need to carry a weapon.....
These are just questions I have. I am not judging your love for weapons. I just would like to know how got to this point, where guns are deemed as a necessity of life.
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libsRfunny4 months, 3 weeks ago
"I just would like to know how got to this point, where guns are deemed as a necessity of life."
Not a necessity, a right. A right to protect yourself, whether it be from man or animal. Our neighbors to the north do not have the same extensive rights because the United Kingdom would not allow it. When we revolted and tossed the Red Coats off U.S. soil, it was a right to bear arms that helped us do it.
Gun laws always have been about keeping the populace under control of the crown dating back to when England first enacted the laws -- back when guns meant artillery and nobles had a habit of overthrowing kings. Remove the guns, and you remove the greatest threat to the crown.
A few weeks ago I posted a story about a fool pulling out his gun and shooting at workers in a store in Florida. Two armed employees drew their firearms and detained the man until police arrived. No one was hurt. Criminals don't abide gun laws. No reason to disarm those who do abide the law.
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libsRfunny4 months, 3 weeks ago
Also, during the LA riots not long after the Rodney King verdict came out and the idiots in LA decided to start attacking everyone they hated, I noticed a lot of Asians on rooftops armed with rifles protecting their property. Needless to say, they weren't harmed.
On the other hand, a perfectly innocent Reginald Denny - or whatever his name was - was beaten nearly to death by a pack of animals who didn't like a white person driving in their neighborhood. Fortunately, some good-thinking blacks came to his rescue and stopped an attempted murder from becoming a murder.
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Mdiar4 months, 3 weeks ago
Its part of the system of checks and balances, actually. Its one of the ways the population keeps the government in check... threat of armed revolt. Its just like the ability to recall a Senator and impeach a President or hold a vote of no confidence in a Parliament. The founders of the United States, recognizing the danger, made it clear that the citizenry of the United States were allowed to own weapons. Its also makes the United States a hell of a difficult country to invade if half the people have a gun of some sort... that's a militia of 100 million adults. Its not a love of weapons, either. In the rural areas the guns are used to hunt. In the urban areas its mainly protection... and criminals. Its a cultural thing... hunting, at least. Besides, I recognize no government's right to tell me I can't own a weapon. I just choose to not own one. That would be my attitude anywhere in the world.
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DropkickaLib4 months, 3 weeks ago
It deals with the history of the U.S. and the central role that gun ownership held in the tradition of the frontier and self-defense. It is not simply motivated by a fixation with violence.
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greenmac4 months, 3 weeks ago
Mdiar and LibsR.... I appreciate you getting back to me. I understand having a gun for sport such as a rifle .... or even a rifle in the house in some areas of the country. What I don't understand is the need for hand guns and assault rifles.
My question is...."What makes the Canadian and US cultures so different when it comes to violence." Also I believe the gun toting mentality is unique to the US ....why is that?
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Mdiar4 months, 3 weeks ago
Look at the history of the United States and its origin and you'll understand a bit better. I'll help as I can...
The United States is the most "liberal" country in the world, traditionally. I don't mean liberal as in progressivism, but as in classical liberalism. The people tend to refuse the government's right to make anything illegal. Look at the fight to make pot illegal and cocaine and opium. Why would we take a different attitude towards weapons? Also, the United States has a ban on assault rifles I believe. Take into account that the United States was founded in a revolution and, rarely for a nation founded in an ideological revolution, did not restrict the rights of the citizen to own a weapon. The framers of the Constitution felt the need for the citizenry to rebel still existed. Its unlikely, but tell me, what would you do if government ignored you, limited free speech more then it is and abused the people? Then refused to leave office and the army sided with them.
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greenmac4 months, 3 weeks ago
"what would you do if government ignored you, limited free speech more then it is and abused the people? Then refused to leave office and the army sided with them."
I would have to say that would be unlikely today.... though I could see the need of weapons for defense of our resources if the current trend continues in the US. I hope it never comes to that.
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Mdiar4 months, 3 weeks ago
Now, GM... show me real statistical evidence that removing guns decreases the rate of violence and murder. Statistical evidence that is legitimate. It can't be... say... comparing Canada and the United States. That is not legitimate because those are two different areas with more factors then just the laws being different. It would have to be the first few months following a hand-gun ban. That is as controlled as it can become as far as experiments go... same general time period in the same area with as few differences existing as possible, other then the law change.
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libsRfunny4 months, 3 weeks ago
http://www.gunowners.org/hlr-au.htm
Gun Control and left-wing politicians said great things about the new law. A university of criminology professor stated, "It is probable that the crime rate will drop by up to 20 percent."
Nothing of the sort happened, in fact just the opposite took place. In 1997, just 12 months after the new laws went into effect, across Australia homicides jumped 3.2 percent, armed robberies were up a whopping 44 percent, assaults up 8.6 and in the state of Victoria there was a 300 percent increase in homicides. Prior to the new dictatorial anti-gun laws, statistics showed a steady decrease in armed robberies with firearms; now, there has been a dramatic increase in break-ins, especially against the elderly.
In 1998, in the state of South Australia, robbery with a firearm increased nearly 60 percent. In 1999, new figures reveal that the assault rates in the state of NSW has risen almost 20 percent
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libsRfunny4 months, 3 weeks ago
"Also I believe the gun toting mentality is unique to the US ....why is that?"
You'd be wrong about that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Sw...
"The gun policy in Switzerland is unique in Europe. The personal weapon of militia personnel is kept at home as part of the military obligations. This, in addition to liberal gun laws and strong shooting traditions, has led to a very high gun count per capita. Switzerland has one of the highest gun ownership rates in the world."
I'm certain Israel also allows citizens to own firearms on an extensive scale.
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greenmac4 months, 3 weeks ago
I guess I should reform my question. "Why is it the US is such a violent place to live? Yes there are other places on this planet that are worse...but for a country of educated people.. the USA is a very violent spot." So looking at guns and the deaths caused by hand guns and assault rifles I believe there exists a need for some control.
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Redneck4 months, 3 weeks ago
Define "assualt rifle". The definition changes from day to day!!
Violence is universal. England has seen a huge rise in daylight breakins when the thieves might encounter a homeowner. Why have they been emboldened and why has such crime risen so significantly? Total ban on weapons. Notice I did not say guns. Guns were first. Now they are moving on to "preventive weapons" like clubs by the doorjam or knives!! Now the homeowner may be found guilty of defending himself!! AND jailed!!
You check into the rest of the world and see what the incidents of violent crime are. Australia has seen a rapid rise since they took all the guns. You have believed a lie.
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kfolive4 months, 3 weeks ago
Guns are just one of human beings methods of population control.
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