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Is he working for someone else's campaign now, because he certainly isn't helping Obama?
Well if anyone takes the time to listen to more than just the snippets of his sermons you will find that he has not really said anything that should hurt Obama. If you listen to the whole sermon you will find that he was preaching exactly the opposite of what the news channels and Rush say he was.
Was this before or after he cursed America? He has made remarks that would be inappropriate regardless of the content of the rest of his sermon.
When Wright said, "God Damn America", it was in the context of the US not being exempt from its sins.
Try listening to the entire sermon, THEN opine.
AIR:
When Wright's words were challenged in a Hannity and Colmes interview, he laid claim to the theological legacy of a black seminary professor by the name of James Cone, who wrote:
"Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy."
That is unbridled hatred, bigotry, and racism. And nobody's grandmother who's scared of an annoying black panhandler is going to change that.
You face two problems.
1. Reality is not optional.
2. Words have meaning.
You want play-doh, go to Toys-R-Us.
DROP:
"Was this before or after he cursed America?"
http://humor.propeller.com/story/2008/04/27/jon...
"John Hagee, whose endorsement McCain accepted, said "New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God." Apparently, Hagee's God doesn't "Damn America" like Jeremiah Wright's God does; Hagee's God just destroys the parts of America he doesn't like."
Let's not forget that Wright also served in the armed forces. In fact, his goddaughter just recently deployed to Iraq.
http://cbs11tv.com/campaign08/wright.black.chur...
"My goddaughter's unit just arrived in Iraq this week while those who call me unpatriotic have used their positions of privilege to avoid military service while sending over 4,000 American boys and girls to die over a lie," Wright said."
McCain didn't attend Hagee's church for 20 years. Wright's god daughter? That makes her...not related to him. It's like saying that his neighbor got deployed.
wright is a marine ,once a marine always a marine
wright said "they brought the drugs in"
they would be reagan in his illegal effort to fund the contras
"then they build new prisons instead of new schools"...i dont think anyone can argue with that
"then they pass the 3 strike law"...again this is fact
his tone is unsettling but,he didnt lie
DROP:
"McCain didn't attend Hagee's church for 20 years. Wright's god daughter? That makes her...not related to him. It's like saying that his neighbor got deployed."
It's official. You're clearly illiterate. Let me say it again: Jeremiah Wright HIMSELF is a Vietnam War veteran. Upon completing his service and returning home, he was denied equal rights and liberties -- the very American rights and liberties he thought he had been fighting for when he served in Vietnam.
While I can't condone everything Wright has said, I can understand his frustration and anger. When was the last time YOU gave your life fighting for freedoms that were denied to you upon YOUR return home?
"Let's not forget that Wright also served in the armed forces. In fact, his goddaughter just recently deployed to Iraq."
Wright's Goddaughter?? LOL
McCain's eldest son was deployed in Iraq and another likely will go there - both of them Marine Corps officers.
Big difference between accepting an endorsement and "worshiping" at the feet of a racist like Wright.
You obviously have not listened to his speech. I don't say this lightly or often, but as I was listening to him yesterday, I was wondering whether there would be anybody stupid enough to condemn him for his speech. Obviously there are some, and without actually having heard what he said.
Ah, I love the return of the "Swifties". Is America dumbed down enought to believe their tripe? Again?
Obviously 28% of them sure are.
Swiftboating = To Tell an Inconvenient Truth
Christmas In Cambodia
God Damn AmeriKKKa
Swiftboating, according the Wikipedia, has evolved to mean American political jargon that is used (primarily) as a strong pejorative description of some kind of attack that the speaker considers unfair or untrueâ;;for example, an ad hominem attack or a smear campaign.
So, thanks for proving Rev. Wright's point. You obviously are attacking the black church because you see difference as deficient.
Swiftboating = Libspeak for inconvenient and damaging facts that can't be refuted.
like john mcacains black love child?
Makes you wonder what the hell happened to the McCain pretty much everyone respected. To suck up to the same people who tried to destroy him is unfathomable.
Swiftboating = Untruths and quotes taken out of context.
Christmas In Cambodia (Nixons gift to Pol Pots or the one he gave to Hanoi?)
Yes damn the KKK and all it's remenant ilk in America today.
too slow simon. four years too slow.
swiftboating is an attempt to discredit someone using lies and innuendos.
http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Swiftboating
quit trying to swiftboat the word swiftboat.
White supremist from Georgia, the article is not about Cone, but about Wright. You take what James Cone wrote out of context as much as you do Wright. If you have read all Cone wrote about the subject, you would also know that the "white enemy" are those whites who have oppressed blacks in history. Neither Cone or Wright hate white people, but they both hate the oppression by whites, like slavery, bigotry, etc.
I think Wright is right about people like you. Evidently, from your writing, you must be a David Duke or KKK type who hates the black church. Otherwise, why would you try to put down someone with "you want play-doh (dough), go to toys R-Us"? That appears you see someone as deficient, so that means Wright is right to say that you believe difference is deficient. The real guilty culprit here is not Wright or Cone, but it is you, the white Supremist.
ML:
I measure opposition to slavery by a black person by their opposition to ALL slavery, including & especially the black-on-black slavery in Africa that continues to this day. The notion that black-black slavery is ok, but white-black slavery is evil is a purely racist contention.
That leaves pretty much every black leader in America--as far as I know--in the moral dust that clutters my rearview mirror. But if you know of a black leader in America who has spoken out against b-b slavery in Africa, by all means...I WANT to be wrong about this.
If you can't, know that I wear your contempt as a badge of honor for the hope of wanting ALL BLACK PEOPLE free of the scourge of slavery. If that hope makes me a supremacist, so be it. But I'd like to hear it from a black slave in Africa who shares my hope as opposed to someone in America who frankly knows-experientially-nothing about slavery.
Again, two immovable hurdles:
1. Reality is not optional.
2. Words have meaning.
Now that is just plumb dumb.
First off, name a black leader who has condoned any slavery anywhere.
AIR,
You're kidding right?
For years all we heard about was South Africa's apartheid, ie, legalized discrimination against blacks by whites. And during the entire period of demonstrations, boycotts, etc., that ultimately ended up with the dissolution of apartheid, here are two things not once mentioned:
1. the dozens if not hundreds of blacks murdered by the ANC to keep them from gaining power in post-apartheid Union of S. Africa; and
2. the black-on-black slave trade that has continued from before Columbus set sail to this very day.
As you will no doubt condemn silent Southerners, and rightly so, silence amounts to acceptance, so you don't get to paint with the broad stroke here. Unless of course you're willing to let silent Southerners off the hook for looking the other way.
Life is choices.
Again, name ONE black leader in America who has endorsed slavery ANYWHERE.
Gen. Robert E. Lee never endorsed slavery, and freed his own upon inheriting them. So perhaps a discussion of endorsement is in order, just to make sure we're on the same page.
Nice deflection.
Are you now claiming there are black leaders in America that own slaves in this day and age?
There were blacks who owned slaves when slavery was legal.
Georgia50
I don't understand just how this discussion got to REL but neither he nor his family owned slaves. General Robert E. Lee never owned any slaves. Lee came from a very poor family. What money the family may have had Lee's father squandered. Lee's wife had two slaves when he married her. These slaves were freed but continued to live with the Lee's until their death.
"Again, two immovable hurdles:"
"1. Reality is not optional. "
"2. Words have meaning."
1. Perception is reality. The statist have mastered the art of altering reality by means of controlling perception through television and other mass media, aka the 30 second sound bytes.
2. Taking a few second sound byte and then analysing it for 5 minutes, mixed in with a certain politcal spin, adding a dash of half-truths, combines with some witty denigrations, also has meaning.
1. Perception distorts reality
2. Words are used to 'define' reality.
3. Words become perceptions/opinions that replaces reality.
4. The truth, perceptions and words about reality, is then relative to what one wants to accomplish.
Georgia in BLT, Cone himself says black symbolizes oppression whereas white symbolizes the oppressor. In BLT, there is no such thing as black on black slavery because the oppressed by their definition is not the oppressor. Your terminology does not gel with that of BLT, so cannot apply. Yes, BLT, would agree any kind of slavery is wrong, but they would always call the oppressed, those enslaved as black because it symbolizes such. It wouldn't really matter what color they were. You are wrong about it. Just about all black church leaders speak out against it, but do so in different ways than you. So, my point is that difference is not always deficient, just like Wright said.
BTW, there are all kinds of enslavement. You do not know what I have been through in life, so I wouldn't be too quick to make such a judgment. I agree with you that all slaves should be made free. That is why I feel Christ came to Earth.
First you should try understanding the so cal black on black slavery you speak of. The enslaved person is so until his debt is paid upon that time he/she is free to do as he/she pleases. The person enslaved has an option, they can pay their debts or render their services. The conversation is about whites enslaving blacks i don't see what black on black slavery has to do with any of this. So if your story is true about black on black slavery, you are saying this makes white on black slavery OK?
Geogia50,
"Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy."
Yes, I'm going to take a lifted sentence to understand the philosophy and its evolution which Wright subscribes to.
Can you put that sentence in context and describe the evolution of the thought to the present? I'll be waiting.
Both Wright and Cone subsribe to what they call an "Afro-centric" gospel, and they say it is in response to what they call a "Euro-centric" gospel.
There neither is nor can be a gospel that is centered around any nataionality, race, ethnic group, or any other subset of the human race, save Jewry, for:
"The gospel is the power of God for salvation, first for the Jew, then for the Gentile."
That is the core absolute of orthodox Christianity from which any and all deviation is heresy. That said, I discard out of hand any representation of the gospel that claims to be race-oriented. And yes I get that many so-called white Christians who took that path ended up with the wrong eternal zip code.
Well seeing as how the whole thing is made up in the first place, what difference does it really make?
Maybe you should look up how "orthodox" Christian belief came into being and get back to us.
So, you being different (holding different views than they) sees their views as deficient. You must believe that or you would not have said, "there neither is nor can be a gospel that is centered around any nationality, race, ethnic group, or any subset..... for the Gentile". And then you went on to say to believe otherwise is to be heretical? "the wrong eternal zip code?" So, you also know whose name is written the Lamb's Book of Life? How utterly clever of you. Unless someone interprets scripture as you do, they are going to hell, right? Thanks for proving Rev. Wright's point, that you are attacking their core beliefs, the black church because you see them as different, and therefore, they are deficient.
Georgia,
What you fail to realize w/comments like Wright's "That is unbridled hatred, bigotry, and racism" is that IT'S AN INTEGRATED CHURCH!!!! One of his mentors happens to be White.
Try to find the Bill Moyers interview w/Wright from a couple of nights ago. It should open your eyes a bit.
"One of his mentors happens to be White."
I just thought this needed to be repeated.
Exactly WHY does it bear repeating? The man got him the job at that parish specifically to help integrate it. Apparently none of Wright's White members had a problem w/the sermon - the WHOLE sermon, not just the part blown way out of proportion. Apparently they didn't find his comments racist.
Churches that don't preach divisvness usually don't have to hire people to help them integrate.
It was a predominantly Black church in an integrated community. Wright was brought in to help integrate it.
The divisiveness isn't coming from Wright, who integrated the church. It's coming from those who didn't hear the sermon & are just taking bits & pieces to support their claims of his "unpatriotic" behavior.
ok so you have a problem with a man who is angry at a country that brought his people here unwillingly turned them into slaves and still treat them like crap, now im itallian all day long but as far as racism goes you dumb azz crackers brought that on yourselves as far as reality goes the reality is in the past black poeple have been treated wourse than a red headed step child and now they are just sick and freakin tired of it, "words do have meaning" your right they do how bout the n word that you crackers made up for black people or WOP which you white people made up for italians, or how bout ****** or gook or spic or wet back so stfu about your rightous crap, i think you been smokin the play-doh at Toys-R-US.. and by the way James Cone was born august 5th 1938 i can only imagine what is was like to be a young black man in those days i bet he wrote alot of other angry hating things toward white people back then and im sure he had every right
You listen to the sermon AIR. "God BLESS America? No no no, God DAMN America!" This is a curse in the Biblical sense, a request issued in full regalia from his pulpit for the wrath of God to descend upon our nation. IT IS NOT RHETORICAL OR ILLUSTRATIVE. It is foul invective inexcusable by context from ANYONE. It is especially offensive from someone who call himself a Christian, who is supposed to love and bless even his enemies. He merits no further attention from us. I am disgusted with the Detroit NAACP. And before I get any flak on that I have been a member since 1968.
That one line was not the sermon. Another swing, another miss.
Also how is God Damn America any more offensive than God Bless America? The Bible says one is to put his or her heart towards heaven, not to earthly treasures. A Christian saying God Bless America is asking God to bless an earthly treasure. Kind of shows where one's heart is, no?
Judge not lest you be judged for the same measure by which you judge will surely be used to judge you.
I believe I read that someplace.
"That one line was not the sermon."
No, but it was part of it. Just like if I filled this entire post preaching "Change", "Hope' and "Love" and finished it with "all minorities must die" you'd forget all the previous things I said about love, hope and change and concentrate on the "all minorites must die" part.
Another swing, another miss indeed.
That's not the equivalent of what Wright did in his sermon.
Get some intellectual honesty, then get back to us.
Then, obviously, newbie, you think Rev. Wrights statements were deficient. Because he preaches different than what you preach, you say his is deficient, right? Thanks again, for proving his point. The only reason you are on here is to attack the black church and its leaders. That attack is rather racist, don't you think? Are you a white supremist? If not, why are you attacking black churches and the way their leaders preach? Don't you agree that looking down on black churches as inferior and different is racist in nature?
Difference does not always mean deficiency, but deficiency is always different from wholeness and soundness. Yes, I do view Wright, in this particular instance, as different AND deficient.
yes, and that makes you a bigot, a black bigot at that. WOW. But so far, in your superior attitude, you see any difference other than your way and understanding as deficient, and that is what makes you a bigot. You simply don't like Wright because he doesn't preach the gospel the way you say he should. You think he is unpatriotic because he criticizes America and doesn't worship her as god, like you do. That, too, is bigotry.
All this hoopla from the people who just a few short months ago tooted their "We're the party of Lincoln" horns! lol