Dutch MP posts Islam film on web »
Posted By Dicax_Maximus 6 months, 1 week ago in NewsDutch right-wing politician Geert Wilders has posted a controversial film critical of Islam's holy book, the Koran, on the internet.
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Dionys6 months, 1 week ago
Buddhists supported the nationalist war in Japan during WWII. Read "Zen at War" by Brian Daizen Victoria, or Chadwick's biography of Shunryu Suzuki. It's unfortunate but every religion has had a brush with supporting violence, oppression or nationalism at one point.
You can look towards Christianity in Nazi Germany (or Catholicism supporting it by doing nothing and making agreements with Hitler). Or even today in terms of women's rights.
The problem is never a specific religion (except maybe with the Mayans or Babylonians), but with fundamentalists who twist the meaning of a religion to support their own agenda.
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Isoparm6 months, 1 week ago
Anyone with half a brain knows that this was a deliberate attempt at instigation, and your reaction is exactly what is expected. Let's see, we'll invade a Muslin country for no good reason and murder hundreds of thousands of its citizens, and then on top of that, we'll make a film disrespecting their cultures and religions. The film maker is fully aware of the frustration felt by Muslims, and the bigotry exhibited by whites, and decided to exploit this. Judging by some of the comments on this thread, he read you right.
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abntv6 months, 1 week ago
I somehow think that this guy will not end up on Irans favorite person list.
And I see another video on its way from Bin Laden
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Dicax_Maximus6 months, 1 week ago
Just started to watch the video, I'll add my own warning :-
Graphic scenes, if you are squeamish, DO NOT WATCH THE VIDEO !!
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Dicax_Maximus6 months, 1 week ago
Update - Views now at 1.12 million, which could explain why it's so dammed slow.....
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nostalgia6 months, 1 week ago
I just finished watching the video.
I'm absolutely amazed at how courageous Wilders is for posting this.
I doubt that any media organization in the US would have enough courage to show any of these scenes.
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Isoparm6 months, 1 week ago
Courageous for deliberately attempting to instigate violence from a people who have seen their land stolen, their countries invaded and occupied, and their citizens murdered by the tens of thousands?. You admire this? Remember that he is also exploiting your bigotry as he is expecting to get the reaction that you presented.
Anyone with any semblance of reasoning ability knows that this is a deliberate attempt to fuel discord between Muslims and non-Muslims. Who has the most to gain by this? Jewish and Israeli interests. Jews were behind the creation of the cartoons that were published awhile back, and they got exactly the reaction that they were hoping for.
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KYRed6 months, 1 week ago
How many Islamists will kill each other in protests? Such silly people. They should be protesting the Koran and it's brutishness and inconsistancies, but they will want to kill the messenger who shows the truth of their evil religion.
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PsychoHosebeast6 months, 1 week ago
"They should be protesting the Koran and it's brutishness and inconsistancies"
Unlike the Bible, of course... right?
"the truth of their evil religion."
Unlike Christianity, of course... right?
Before you get too snotty about "their evil religion" you may want to review the numbers on how many innocent people have died or been enslaved in the name of Christ. I'm sure that just about any good Catholic priest could fill you in. And, failing that, you may want to ask the indigenous peoples of the Americas or even some Muslims.
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DanmLiberals6 months, 1 week ago
PhyschoHoe,
When was the last time a Christian killed someone over a cartoon in the name of Christianity? Or the Last time a Christian strapped on a bomb to be a martyr for god? Or the last time someone was jailed for naming a stuffed animal Jesus? Or the last time they jailed and lashed a woman for talking to a man? or stoned someone too death in the name of sharia law?
You can reference 14th century Christianity but it doesnt have much relevance today. America is a melting pot of many different religions that all get together, even the Christians that you hate.
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BigBadJohn6666 months, 1 week ago
snotty about "their evil religion" you may want to review the numbers on how many innocent people have died or been enslaved in the name of Christ. I'm sure that just about any good Catholic priest could fill you in. And, failing that, you may want to ask the indigenous peoples of the Americas or even some Muslims.
What an idiot you are. Some moron like you will always post something like this. Other religions/cults may have done some islamadanian like crap back in the stone age but they evolved out of it hundreds of years ago. The islamadans are still in the stone age today. It doesn't take half a brain to see that the koran is a load of evil crap or that moehammad was probably the most evil man that ever lived and in no way was he a prophet of a god. He invented the evil cult for his very own use. I doubt if most islamadans have even read the koran and if they did they didn't let any of it soak in because of their from birth brain washing not to question any of the crap.
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tkyrchncs6 months, 1 week ago
Reminiscent of another religion and scripture that is widely defended in the West.
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Isoparm6 months, 1 week ago
How many people will mindlessly accept this filmaker's vision?
Such silly people. These people should be protesting the Bible and its brutishness and inconsistencies, instead of using it as a reason to invade and occupy Arab land, and murdering tens of thousands of its people.
The face of evil? Look in a mirror.
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stephen-johnson6 months, 1 week ago
"Dutch broadcasters have declined to show the production by 44-year-old Freedom Party (PVV) leader Mr Wilders, who lives under police protection because of earlier death threats."
In other words, You Tube allows the freedom of speech that Dutch broadcasters are too cowardly to provide.
If the Dutch don't take a stand against the radical Islamists, they'll become prisoners in their own country.
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zimm6 months, 1 week ago
A terrifying chronicle of the exploits of the radical followers of the "Religion of Peace". We ignore these nuts at our own peril.
It's scary when you consider that radical Islamists are involved in virtually every conflict around the globe today...
Here's the link to the video:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7d9_1206624103
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smartsweetheart6 months, 1 week ago
I don´t really know, why this provocation was necessary. The aim to inform the public by telling the truth about the Islam and its fascist face for me seems to be only a new kind of populism, making use of the web with its "anything goes" as a credo. Is it a testing out the limits, the confortable feeling as a western martyr for the freedom of speech? What the public, in the Netherlands and elswhere in Europe and America, really needs, is an honest dialogue, free from propaganda and hatred.
9/11 has shown to everyone of us, what astonishing power pictures can develope. This power could better be used in a positive and peace-making way than to be abused for the confirmation of prejudices.
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tanglang6 months, 1 week ago
Oh great. Now we'll have to watch as millions of peaceful islamics protest and trample each other to death. I bet one of the first effigies burned is one of President Bush. I saw that during the protests over the dutch cartoon. Right before the trampled a plastic Ronald McDonald. What those two had to do with a Dutch cartoon is beyond me.
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GHOSTWHOWALKS6 months, 1 week ago
Hate knows no bounds. It really is that simple. IMHO. One doesn't burn effigies for anything else. That is their only reason for doing so.
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bobo-in-texas6 months, 1 week ago
If we just get rid of Bush Mickey D the The Religion of Peace will return to its peaceful ways. Oh , I forgot. Can't leave out The Jooos.
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Isoparm6 months, 1 week ago
If you had the merest shred of reasoning ability you would be asking why anyone would make a film of disrespect toward a people that you have supported the bombing and murdering of.
This filmaker is exploiting the hatred and pent-up frustration of a people who have been victimized for decades by European and American whites, and the filmaker is also exploiting the bigotry by those same whites who've never shown any consideration for Muslims.
Who gains by maintaining discord between Muslims and non-Muslims? Israel and its supporters.
Your reaction is what they expect of you.
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jmopinion6 months, 1 week ago
Another brave video by Wafa Sultan about Islam.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WLoasfOLpQ&feat...
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nostalgia6 months, 1 week ago
I sent a friend of mine a link to the video last evening
After she watched it, she called me. She was struck by the number of Muslims living in Europe
She told me about a book written by Pat Buchanan a number of years ago - The Death of the West: How Dying Populations and Immigrant Invasions Imperil Our Country and Civilization
Apparently the book details the changing demographics in the US and Europe
Anyone read this? She is going to bring it over for me to read
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Isoparm6 months, 1 week ago
Let's see, You steal their land, invade and occupy their countries and murder hundreds of thousands of their citizens, and on top of this, You ignore the anger and frustration that these actions would instill, and go a step further, and show utter disrespect for their culture and religion by depictions in drawings and film. And yet they're the bad guys?!
Your bigotry was as much counted on as a reaction to the film, as the reaction by the Muslims is. The filmaker is counting on this, and you do not disappoint.
One should look and see who was behind the film's creation. Israelis or their sympathizers perhaps?
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Dicax_Maximus6 months, 1 week ago
Hundreds of thousands ????
Actualy, if you bothered to check a few facts, you'll find that it isn't the west that has killed "hundreds of thousands", it's the lunatics that like blowing themselves up that have committed most of the murders.......
Oh, "steal their land" ?? Funny, I don't remember Iraq being declared a state of the US....
Finally, at which point did you make the Israeli connection ??? Before or after you second toke ??
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Isoparm6 months, 1 week ago
Christians are very peaceful, loving, compassionate, forgiving bunch of folks. If you have any questions about their intent, then you are a lost cause.
Is very clear: Invade and occupy Muslim countries, steal their land and oil, kill hundreds of thousands of their wives, daughters, sons. After this is completed, dominate the world.
"I cannot believe how many of these people are living in the Netherlands and U.K." but as their land has been swept by a Christian plague, they had to find somewhere to live.
If you think it's not about oil and zionist special interest, go ahead, fool yourself.
If things were so bad, why aren't you already there fighting and dying with your weapons?
America W.A.K.E U.P.!!!
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bobo-in-texas6 months, 1 week ago
Don't waste your time. He's already told us several times that the real source of the violence is The Jews.
Very Progressive of him.
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Charlson6 months, 1 week ago
Joe, if a video was made that showed the horrors committed by any religion, it would raise the hackles of most people. It's called propaganda. There is no doubt that muslim extremist are a real threat to western nations and we should do all we can to defeat them. It's that I don't agree with how our administration under Bush has attempted to fool Americans into thinking he knows best on how to do it and his methods and strategy is the right and only way.
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joeblowe6 months, 1 week ago
Religion = bad - no argument from me. If you or anyone else knows of a way to kill ONLY the muslim extremists without killing everyone else in the M.E., I'm sure the pentagon would like to hear from you. Don't construe this to mean I support the current "policy" in the M.E. - I don't. I'm just saying - getting rid of ONLY the extremists is like trying to get rid of the KKK or American Nazis. Unless you CATCH them at it, you can't tell them from anyone else; they hide amongst the "normal" population. DEFEATING them might be as easy as just leaving them the hell alone.
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CommonSense506 months, 1 week ago
I am all for free speech and the right to an opinion. And as for the Chrisitan killings, yes they were years ago and perhaps, with the passage of time, Islam will eventually mute their edges (as did Chrisitanity, but it still has just as bloody as history - the only difference is Islam's going through it as we live currently). But I wonder, does this man have a white, pointy sheet in his closet?
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Mutainia6 months, 1 week ago
For anyone interested, I have some very good news for a change. On YouTube, Muslims were flagging those who posted videos that questioned Islam. Too many flags and not only were the videos pulled, but, accounts were closed. ONE of the best challengers to Islam was a guy named "investigateislam", who use to actually BE a Muslim, but, somehow, through some miracle, managed to escaped it.
Well, I KNEW something was wrong when his BEST video called "Lying For Islam" (that featured surah 3:28 and how Muslims are given permission to lie) was no longer on YouTube. But, Muslims didn't stop there. They flagged him to the point where his account was closed. But, it wasn't just him...a LOT of ex-Muslim accounts were closed, proving just how thin skinned and insecure the "god" of Islam is.
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Mutainia6 months, 1 week ago
But, guess what? "Investigateislam" is not only back, but, he's exposing the fact that Muslims REALLY can't even take a HINT of critism, and, doing it in a funny way. Check out "investigateislam". You KNOW the guy is successful when sooooo many Muslims on Youtube, and elsewhere, make so many videos trying to destroy him, calling him a liar, when it's the reverse. They were so happy when they pulled him off of YouTube. But, praise the REAL God...he's BAAAaaaaak. :)
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Dionys6 months, 1 week ago
Yes. And Americans and the American Military's done nothing to hide videos, pictures and reports coming back from Iraq showing all the murdering American soldiers over there.
Perhaps instead of your insidious interpretation that Muslims were flagging people questioning Islam, Muslims were flagging people who were spreading lies about the English-based interpretation of Islamic Sura out of context.
Frankly I wouldn't want to embrace the same disingenous prooftexting that Nazis, modern 'evangelicals' and hate spreaders who use the Bible in the same way. But I know you love to embrace that, so why not go ahead.
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zimm6 months, 1 week ago
FYI -
LiveLeak.com has now had to take the video off their site "following threats to our staff of a very serious nature".
Here's what's left of the link:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7d9_1206624103
Now that's a taste of what life would be like if you had to live under the rule of these Islamo-fascist thugs...
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nostalgia6 months, 1 week ago
Liveleak gave this explanation:
Following threats to our staff of a very serious nature, and some ill informed reports from certain corners of the British media that could directly lead to the harm of some of our staff, Liveleak.com has been left with no other choice but to remove Fitna from our servers.
This is a sad day for freedom of speech on the net but we have to place the safety and well being of our staff above all else. We would like to thank the thousands of people, from all backgrounds and religions, who gave us their support. They realised LiveLeak.com is a vehicle for many opinions and not just for the support of one.
Perhaps there is still hope that this situation may produce a discussion that could benefit and educate all of us as to how we can accept one anothers culture.
We stood for what we believe in, the ability to be heard, but in the end the price was too high.
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nostalgia6 months, 1 week ago
It is also here:
Part 1:
http://www.geevideos.com/watch/1515102855/fitna...
Part 2
http://www.geevideos.com/watch/2171747438/fitna...
Wonder if they will threaten every site where the movie is posted?
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