News – The U.S. military says a roadside bomb has killed four U.S. soldiers in Baghdad. That raises the overall American death toll to at least 4,000, a grim milestone as the war enters its sixth year.
A violent Easter Sunday in Iraq.
Violence for what?
Can anyone identify any positive result of this invasion and occupation?
I realize that the mission was accomplished, but WHAT was accomplished?
Sorry to say GW but the headline says what was accomplished.
let's bring them home alive.
Kind of amusing, in a tragic sort of way, that four people gave this comment a neg... apparently they don't want to bring our troops home alive. Would these four be counted as traitors?
What has been accomplished? The draining of the treasury, 4,000 families mourning lost sons/daughters, making the U.S. the most hated nation since Germany, fracturing the economy, making Le Muffette and friends rich.
I could go on but I get depressed when I think of everything that 10 Billion dollars a month could do right here at home. In the end the only accomplishment is nothing but death and destruction.
"The draining of the treasury..."
Never forget that this has amounted to the 'redistribution' of the treasury. That money has gone into certain peoples' pockets, and it doesn't take much insight to figure out whose. Go ahead and neg me for suggesting that most of that money belongs to republicans now, regardless of how they got it.
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How many more people are this President going to murder?
Let's go back to WW11 when we were attacked in Pearl Harbor and would have been by Hitler. A half a million. Put a barrel in your mouth and pull the trigger. You don't have a brain anyway. /ratsh1t
Do some reading tonight and come back and apologize for that ridiculous statement tomorrow Scrimshaw, WW2 has nothing in common with what is going on in Iraq or the Middle East in general.
It is factual history that when Supreme Commander of the Allied Forces, General Dwight Eisenhower, found the victims of the death camps, he ordered all possible photographs to be taken, for the people from surrounding villages to be ushered through the camps. He did this because he said in words to this effect: 'Get it all on record, get films, get the witnesses because somewhere down the track of history some ~~stard will get up and say that this never happened.
This week, the University of Kentucky removed the Holocaust from its school curriculum because it offended the Muslim population, which claims it never occurred.In memory of the 6 million Jews, 20 million Russians, 10 million Christians and 1,900 Catholic Priests who were murdered with people looking the other way! Now, more than ever, with Iran, among others, claiming the Holocaust to be "a myth", it is imperative to make sure the world never forgets these facts of history.
Sadly enough this was exactly the situation that was growing in Iraq with Sadam Insane, but we didn't put enough forces on the ground, especially from other nations because they didn't care. Only America did.
The situation also exists in Afghanistan with Ben Laden, the Taliban. Anyone who thinks Afghanistan, Iraq, and Iran are not connected truly do not understand what is going on.
Will they become concerned when they come for you?
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."
Scrimshaw at least reads history.
Had the United States not entered WWII we might all be speaking either German or Japanese now, if they allowed you to live...many Germans fled that country because they were powerless to stop that madman. Many Iraq civilians also cannot without help.
These radical muslims? You think you're going to make peace with them. More or less like trying to sleep with a rattlesnake. If you want to sleep peacefully you will have to do something...these are not nice creatures at all.
LordyLordy: "These radical muslims? You think you're going to make peace with them. More or less like trying to sleep with a rattlesnake. If you want to sleep peacefully you will have to do something...these are not nice creatures at all."
What are you suggesting to do? Exterminate them? Which ones? How do you separate the radicals from the non-radicals, or are they all the same? Are you proposing a new Holocaust? Tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of Iraqis and Afghans are already dead. How many more should die before you'll be satisfied?
How many more should die?
As many as it takes for these stone age cave dwellers to decide that they should act right and join the rest of the civilized world. As long as they keep strapping bombs to retarded girls and blowing up women and children we should keep dropping bombs on their houses.
Sorry, but as usual, you are the primitive thinker!
Mr. Vice President, is that you?
I tell you what, if I were the veep, things would be a whole lot different. For starters we would not be spending over $380 billion a year on illegals.
if you were VP we surely would have already impeached and convicted you for un-American behavior! We have your right wing radical number tang! You are no different than the islamic radicals we want to get too!
Douchebag alert! Douchebag alert!
Donald, aka dribble lip51, what kind of crap is this? "We have your right wing radical number tang! You are no different than the islamic radicals we want to get too!"
That's the most retarded thing ever posted on this site.
Put the crack pipe down bro.
"As many as it takes for these stone age cave dwellers to decide that they should act right and join the rest of the civilized world."
--I see... Democracy courtesy of grenades, AK-47s, daisy cutter bombs and waterboarding. Yepper, that'll larn them thar ornery is-LAMMA-fashists, tangy! ROTFLMAO
Allrighty then meso, hows about we send You to negotiate with these morons? That will go over like a turd in a punch bowl wouldn't it? Yall just down get it. You seiously want to once again negotiate with people that only want to kill you. We've tried that road, ask B.C. It got us nowhere. All it did was give them time to strengthen their forces and learn how to fly planes.
"You to negotiate with these morons?"
--Why not? Just by doing a simple cost benefit analysis, even a marginally intelligent person can see that while negotiating doesn't always work, aggression rarely results in anything but more aggression. Bush foreign policy has escalated violence worldwide and because innocent people have been casualties of crossfire, we've created more enemies. Worse, because we've devoted so many of our resources to Iraq, we aren't taking care of things domestically. When violence is a last result, far fewer people die and it's less costly (both economically speaking as well as in intangible ways) than aggression. Under the neocon approach to conflict resolution only gun manufacturers and defense contractors win.
PS The terrorists flew planes into our buildings because we were asleep at the wheel. Those who preach about personal responsibility should acknowledge that fact.
We were asleep at the wheel Meso. From January 1993 to September 2001!
If that's your way of agreeing that the GOP's stalking of Bill Clinton for alleged sex crimes for 8 years (while terrorists plotted a million ways to exploit our security weaknesses and fly planeloads full of American to their deaths into our historic buildings) amounts to high treason, well, all I can say is it's about time you came around, tangy! ;-)
Nice try Meso. You know I was referring to the fact that everytime we were attacked by al qeada during the 90's all we did was blow up a few camels and called it good.
You're right. Blowing up hundreds of thousands of people and sending millions of people fleeing into other countries has done wonders for us.
Peddle those lies somewhere else Tang, they learnt how to fly in the good old US of A while under Government eyes, hell i bet the CIA even payed for it since they funded Al Quada. Now you and the loony right use something your own government had a hand in to pull an entire people down? The real dangers are only coming out now, but they are still coming out.
"CIA even payed for it since they funded Al Quada."
Oooh, tough break Jaydee, that answer is incorrect. Thanks for playing and better luck next time.
The myth here is that UK removed the Holocaust from it school curriculum. (How many Muslims does Kentucky have?)
http://www.boycottwatch.org/misc/UKY-Holocaust.htm
Again, there are very few simularities between the invasion and occupation of Iraq and the invasion and liberation of Europe (and subsequent occupation of Germany). Anyone who puts forth such a comparison must have slept through history class or is pursuing someones agenda.
Here's a clue for you, the Shia and Sunni hate each other, Iran is Shia. Al Queda is Sunni. Iran does not support al Queda. Saudia Arabia is Sunni. Guess who they support?
"Had the United States not entered WWII we might all be speaking either German or Japanese now..."
If I had a nickel for every time I've heard a conjob parrot some version of that unbelievably stupid remark. Do you people honestly think regurgitating this CRAP over and over qualifies you as history scholars? Anyway, maybe if more Americans studied other languages and learned about something beyond their own tiny realities, we wouldn't be constantly at war.
Iran doesn't claim that the holocaust never happened, Abadenjad said that it was legitimate to question the extent of the holocaust. I think he (Abadenjad-sp?) is wrong, but you shouldn't exaggerate your case. By the way, where do you get the 20 million Russians and 10 million Christians? Many millions of Russians died in WWII, far more than Americans, but they didn't die in death camps like the Jew, Gypsies, leftists, etc.
The Iraq war is detracting from winning in Afghanistan (Iran helped us there by the by). Our removal of Saddam helped Iran too. It would appear to me that you are the one that doesn't know what is going (or has gone) on.
"Sadly enough this was exactly the situation that was growing in Iraq with Sadam Insane, but we didn't put enough forces on the ground, especially from other nations because they didn't care. Only America did."
--Wow...I love your sense of objectivity and even-handedness. According to you, neither we nor our allies sent enough troops but, amazingly, only the Bush administration deserves to be pardoned. How do you know that "they didn't care" and that we did? Because the proportions many of these countries devote to domestic priorities vs defense is the complete opposite of ours? Maybe they didn't rush to send every able-bodied citizen to fight in Iraq because they smelled a rat and the odor was coming from the US. Why do you excuse the fact that we rushed to war *knowing* we weren't equipped to fight two major conflicts simultaneously?
Lordy - It is you who does not understand current events. You seem to think that Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, OBL are all parts of the same giant, monolithic Muslim conspiracy.
OBL was just a small time guerilla fighter from Saudi Arabia who went to Afghanistan to repel the Soviets. The US actually trained him and other fighters. HE WAS OUR ALLY. Then when the Soviets withdrew, the US simply abandoned Afghanistan. The power vacuum allowed the Taliban to come into power and impose their reign of terror.
Because of the US abandonment of Afghanistan and the presence of US forces in Saudi Arabia, OBL became our mortal enemy.
OBL is Sunni. The Shiite sect feared OBL. Shiite Iran had come close to a rapprochement w/ the US under Clinton due to contacts by Madeline Albright. Iran helped us track and fight OBL. Bush rewarded them w/a slap in the face by labelling them part of the Axis of Evil. Instead of being allies, we now have earned their enmity for the next several generations.
Iran was also the mortal enemy of Saddam, a Sunni, and Iraq. The 2 countries neutralized each other. Saddam also feared OBL and the presence of al Qaida, because it was a potent terrorist power that could challenge his power within Iraq. He kept OBL out of Iraq.
THERE WAS NO COLLUSION BETWEEN IRAQ, IRAN, AND AFGHANISTAN.
The US invasion completely changed the calculus of power in the mideast.
Because of the complete destruction of Iraq's gov't and infrastructure, al Qaida and all other assorted terrorist groups were all easily able to infiltrate into Iraq and wreak their havoc. Now the Sunni and Shiite who lived in harmony in Iraq hate each other.
Now there is no counterbalance to Iran's power and nuclear desires. Iran has also started to exert its influence over the Shiite majority in Iraq. Even if a "democracy" is established in Iraq, who knows what that really means in the face of the ascendant Iran?
Because Bush failed to eliminate OBL first, because Bush executed
Saddam, the only counterforce to Iran, he allowed both Iran and OBL to enter into the theater of Iraq and both have become more powerful and influential than they were before.
Bush has destabilized that entire region. Bush has created the interconnection of Iraq, Iran, and OBL (in Afghanistan, or is it Pakistan?).
Lordy, all you did in your post is make assertions of collusion, prattle on about Muslims being rattlesnakes, and rant about the University of Kentucky. You offer no explanations, no logical steps to interconnect these countries and events. You have absolutely no comprehension of the complexities of the Muslim world. I am not a muslim scholar, but at least I try to keep the sects, the human players, the events as clear as possible from the news reports, the internet, etc.
Except that Saddam Hussein did not come anywhere near rising to the level of threat that Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan did to world peace. This analogy is tired and misused.
Saddam was not allied with Al Qaida. He had nothing to do with 9/11 and even if he might have possessed weapons of mass destruction, once the inspectors were allowed back in and had unfettered access, the immediacy of this threat and its exploitation ceased to be an issue. The inspectors were not permitted to finish their work because Bush and company wanted a war and nothing was going to stop this. In their calculations, it was going to be a cake walk and that is what they based their strategy on.
Whether or not Saddam was a good guy is not relevant. By that standard we would be invading nations all the time including those we call friends. The violations of the UN resolutions did not permit one party to unilaterally invade for a redress of those violations.
Um, but I seem to recall that during WWII we had a draft and we rationed gas, clothes, butter, sugar,and meat. For the most part, no one had the option of arguing in favor of sending other people's children to die and they didn't have the luxury to sit around crying about how the poor and illegal immigrants were the bane of their existence and the reason they weren't receiving all the tax cuts to which they felt entitled. It's easy to compare the indefinite occupation of Iraq to wars we fought in the past when most Americans aren't sacrificing anything.
It also seems hard to compare this whole current situation with the occupation of Iraq in the fact that with a coalition of only three willing nations, a war was fought in more than 10 countries and WON in less than the time the US has taken so far.
It would probably be better if it didn't seem like we we're spending so much more money and time spying on americans at home, too.
What's really 4000, 5000, 10000, or even twenty years of death when the national security of our country - a steady flow of oil, and profits for huge corporations - is at stake?
We know whos' kids AREN'T going to Iraq. That should change.
And just look at the negs that post generated. The chickenhawks hate it when others shoot down their half-assed comparisons between Iraq and past military conflicts. ;-)
How nice. My, my, why don't you take your advice and do that.
More proof that heroin addiction and posting don't mix.
You don't have a brain anyway.>>>>
Speaking of 'brains;' Anyone who compares WW11 with Iraq is a moron.
Who said this, raats6662? "Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces. Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors."
That's right... Bill Clinton.
Great speech by Bill don't cha think? Ooo, lets cherry pick some more stuff.
"I hope Saddam will come into cooperation with the inspection system now and comply with the relevant U.N. Security Council resolutions."
"So we will pursue a long-term strategy to contain Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction and work toward the day when Iraq has a government worthy of its people."
"The credible threat to use force, and when necessary, the actual use of force, is the surest way to contain Saddam's weapons of mass destruction program, curtail his aggression and prevent another Gulf War."
"Saddam should have absolutely no doubt if he lashes out at his neighbors, we will respond forcefully. Heavy as they are, the costs of action must be weighed against the price of inaction."
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/middle_east/july...
Do you even care how stupid your comments are?
Ratskii---"Do you even care how stupid your comments are?"
Obviously he does not.