Peace talks between Israel and Fatah to start again, Rice says »
Posted by: JamesMarcus 6 months agoSecretary of State Condoleezza Rice announced Wednesday that Israel and the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, were resuming the suspended peace talks, one day after Abbas had refused to publicly commit to a resumption.
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hyperbola6 months ago
The arab street knows that Abbas is only in power because of a US-Israeli sponsored coup. He no longer has any credibility with palestinians.
US-Israeli Sponsored Coup d'Etat: Overcoming the Conspiracy against Palestine
... This letter is a small but vivid piece of evidence to add to the existing mountain, of the conspiracy in which the Abbas leadership is involved. In the month since Abbas' appointment of a Vichy-style "emergency government" headed by Salam Fayad, historic Fatah leaders, such as Farouq Qaddumi and Hani al-Hassan have signalled their opposition to Abbas' actions, specifically rejecting his order that Palestinian resistance fighters disarm while Israeli occupation continues unchallenged.
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hyperbola6 months ago
This underscores that the split among Palestinians today is not between Hamas and Fatah, nor between "extremist" or "moderate," or "Islamist" or "secular," but between the minority who have cast their lot in with the enemy as collaborators on the one hand, and those who uphold the right and duty to resist on the other....
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=...
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browntiger6 months ago
They will never make good on any agreement Palestinian government signed, and blame Zionists, united states and Abbas.
Peace negotiations are pointless at this time. It is good old poor me card they keep playing. I thought there was a chance after Arafat died. But now it is lost and business as usual.
Palestinians fire rockets from densely populated area, israel respond with incursion, palestinians will claim excessive force, complain to UN, chant death to Israel and fire more rockets.
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hyperbola6 months ago
The Abbas-led part of Fatah is nothing but a ZionCon puppet. The increasing genocide in palestine is the result of letting ZionCons run our foreign policy in the middle east. Keep in mind that those running it (Elliot abrams) are criminals previously convicted for lying to Congress. Americans are paying dearly for their treason.
Elliot Abrams' uncivil war
... In the immediate aftermath of the Hamas elections, last January, Abrams greeted a group of Palestinian businessmen in his White House office with talk of a "hard coup" against the newly-elected Hamas government â;; the violent overthrow of their leadership with arms supplied by the United States. ...
http://www.conflictsforum.org/2007/elliot-abram...
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hyperbola6 months ago
Dual Citizenship -- Loyal to Whom?
Do No Evil â;; So, you might ask, are there any other dual Israel-American citizens who hold US government positions that could compromise American security? Yes....
http://donoevil.propeller.com/story/2008/03/05/...
Serving Two Flags
Neo-Cons, Israel and the Bush Administration
Stephen Bryen
Richard Perle
Michael Ledeen
Douglas Feith
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http://www.ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/nc-green...
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nikkibabe6 months ago
I don't think this Abbas gets it right. Someone should tell him that ANY peace process with opportunistic politicians from USA WILL NOT bring peace there.
He has to engage and include Syria, Jordan, Iran, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Hamas in order to make any progress. A united Arab front peace plan will have more credibility to negotiate with Israel INSTEAD of ANY other plan brokered by USA.
USA wants to be there to protect its OIL interests and would not care less about peace and tranquility.
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djrevelky6 months ago
The world according to nikkibabe:
Every single country in the world has oil, and thats the only reason we care. The Bush's control all of the world's oil. Everyone who isn't an atheist is a terrorism...except those peace loving "freedom fighters" in Iraq who behead 11 year old boys and feed them to their families.
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Thinker226 months ago
> He has to engage and include Syria, Jordan, Iran, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Hamas in order to make any progress.
As long as none of the above are willing to make peace with Israel (except Egypt and Jordan, of course) this is a bit tricky to achieve, don't you agree?
On the other hand, I've already explained that if and when these countries (excluding Hamas) will decide to make peace with Israel (collectively or individually) Israel will not refuse. If and when Hamas will become the legitimate Palestinian governing body and as such will renounce violence and ask for peace negotiations it will be eligible, too.
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Hobe6 months ago
Peace talks between Israel and Fatah to start again, Riceâ;¦
This would be wonderful if it were True and both parties serious...
Until each Party can control their respective Extremists, long lasting Peace will Never come about...
Sad but True....
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nikkibabe6 months ago
Mahatma Gandhi said " the greatness of a statesman belongs in his ability to meet, talk, persuade & negotiate with a counterpart who holds a gun to your head".
That is what he did exactly to the British who put him in prison with armed men around. He met the King of England on his terms, wearing traditional Indian dress!
If no country wants to engage Syria, Iran, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Hamas & Fatah in the same room, there is no ray of hope for any peace.
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Thinker226 months ago
> If no country wants to engage Syria, Iran, Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Hamas & Fatah in the same room, there is no ray of hope for any peace.
This is true. Fortunately, Israel, the US and other countries ARE willing to engage all them in the same room. All that is left to make it successful is to convince those in your list to agree to negotiate. As of now all of them (except Egypt and Jordan) REFUSED to negotiate and demanded Israel to be destroyed no matter what.
Israel can not follow Gandhi's advice and "meet, talk, persuade & negotiate with a counterpart who holds a gun to your head". In this case, the counterpart will pull the trigger as fast as he can making subsequent meetings, talks, persuasion and negotiations irrelevant.
Only when the Arabs will be WILLING TO NEGOTIATE PEACE will peace become possible.
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hyperbola6 months ago
Only when israel gives up racism and ethnic cleansing will theri be peace. The world should pout an end to zionist crimes against humanity.
In Clear Sight of Yad Vashem
Religion â;; Yad Vashem, the jewish site for rembrance of the Holocaust is within sight of Deir Yassin, the symbolic starting point of nearly six decades of Palestinian dispossession and ethnic cleansing.
http://religion.propeller.com/story/2008/03/06/...
A brutal ethnic cleansing accompanied by dispossession, pillage and massacre... terms surely familiar to any Palestinian.
But no matter how similar the Jewish and Palestinian histories of suffering may seem, the similarities conceal important differences:
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gamahuche6 months ago
Reading between the lines, US policy in this arena seems to be based on banging heads together and believing that when the sufferers say yes, yes,in order that they should stop! this will have some significance and validity.
The conditions in Palestine are somewhere between critical and catastrophic and have been that way for a very long time.
Legitimate negotiation requires and presupposes a level playing field. Until there is some relief for the people there - REGARDLESS of all the damn blood-minded politicians on every side and of every faction - its not possible for either the Palestinians or the Israelis to even negotiate freely and in good faith.
The solution will have to be reached through proxies who are outside the problem and who have the trust of both sides.
It seems extremely unlikely that the US will be one of those and meanwhile all the head-banging in the world will be in vain.
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Thinker226 months ago
> The conditions in Palestine are somewhere between critical and catastrophic and have been that way for a very long time.
If it was the case, Palestinian leaders would try to negotiate a better deal. Their insistence on continuation of the conflict means that they're happy with its results. It also means that it makes little sense for their advocates to complain about "critical and catastrophic" conditions of Palestinians as long as the Palestinians themselves are happy with these conditions.
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hyperbola6 months ago
The US has NEVER been an honest broker in the region. Any "plan" advocated by the US is now regarded in the region as simply more zioncon baloney. And the region is right.
There is only one solution that is consistent with american ideas of democracy. Americans now need to rid our government, our politics and our media of zionist traitors to the fundamental principles of american democracy and support one state.
Two states, too little, too late
By Haim Bresheeth
In attempting to take it all by force, successive Israeli governments killed the two-state solution, leaving only the principled, just, democratic and counter-Zionist one-state solution left.
http://www.righteousjews.org/article6.html
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Daylight6 months ago
Peace! who wants peace? If you want peace you must talk to people who are elected by the people, Palestinians elected Hamas they are the legitimate representative of the people. Peace cannot come to Palestine without their participation. Abbas is a puppet he cannot bring peace to anyone, he will only bring death to Palestinians.
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Mutainia6 months ago
If Abbas is trying to talk peace with Israel, it's probably one of two things. Either Israel is kicking booty, or, Abbas needs to regroup his forces. I've learned that peace treaties in Islam seem to only be allowed when the infidel has the possibility of doing a successful counter-attack, THWARTing the evil of Quran 9:1-5, and 29.
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