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President Hugo Chavez on Sunday ordered 10 battalions of troops to the border with Colombia after Colombia's military killed a top rebel leader.

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kboy6 months ago

My God. I hope he does not have to resort to calling in the Kennedys as a last resort. Those radio spots will be devastating.
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splitrch6 months ago

"The peasant-based FARC has been fighting Colombia's government for more than four decades, seeking a more equitable distribution of wealth. It funds itself largely through the cocaine trade and kidnaps for ransom and political ends." Other than this I'm sure they are really nice folks. I can see why Chavez loves them so much.
All kidding aside, he needs to tread lightly. The Western Hemisphere is getting pretty damn tired of his nonsense. Many Venezuelans I'm sure are embarrassed by him too.
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  tanglang6 months ago
  
  I agree, FARC is nothing more than a terrorist organization. The fact that he has no interest in stopping them is troublesome enough. But for him to send troops to the border to keep Columbia from defending itself is outrageous.
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    splitrch6 months ago
    
    Not only that but Chavez is reacting to an attack that happened in Ecuador - not in Venezuela. The man is unbalanced and dangerous. Of course if he is funding FARC with petro dollars the OAS should do something about him right now. I hope the Venezuelan people get him out of office first chance they get.
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      Dionys6 months ago
      
      If some country that shared a border with the US and Canada invaded Canada on the premise that it was chasing someone across the border, the US would likely move assets (if there were any left after starting a pre-emptive war based on lies) to the same shared border with that country. There's nothing unbalanced about good military strategy.
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        splitrch6 months ago
        
        On the face of it you have a good point to make.
        However, look at how he behaves in general. He uses oil like a carrot and a stick depending who he's dealing with. My problem with Chavez is that he is an extremist and an ideologue. I can't stand ideologues. They tend to think anything is acceptable if it is in promotion of or defense of "the cause" (otherwise known as their own personal interests). It doesn't matter what the cause happens to be.
        Hitler and Stalin were 2 sides of the same coin. Their philosophies were vastly different but their methods were the same. Chavez would make himself dictator for life if he could. He is dangerous because he has delusions of grandeur with himself as the Supreme Ruler. Also I believe that he would be very excited to export his revolution to his neighbors.
        
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        splitrch6 months ago
        
        Continued:
        Having said that, I have no particular love for the government in Columbia. I don't think much of FARC either. Sadly it's always the regular people who are caught in the crossfire.
        BTW, do you think the Kulaks that Stalin murdered would have been happier if it was Hitler who killed them?
        For those who don't know, the Kulaks were peasant farmers. The Communist Party decided that collective farming was better for the USSR. Therefore millions were killed. Guess what? WWII came along and the Soviets had a hard time feeding the nation. They went back to small farms in order to produce food. So much for grandiose economic theories.
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        Jaydee406 months ago
        
        Everything you just said of Chavez is true of Bush, but you fear Chavez who can do nothing to hurt you while you don't fear Bush who already has hurt you.
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        splitrch6 months ago
        
        now why would you say that? If you have ever followed my posts you will see that I am no fan of the President. In fact Chavez has used oil as a weapon against the US. He has hurt us to to some degree economically. You can blame Bush for Chavez's belligerent attitude towards us. It might even be somewhat deserved but you don't see him for what he is. If you want to call Chavez a bush mini-me I'll agree with you.
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        Jaydee406 months ago
        
        Look at recent oil price increases, Chavez's threats counted for little increases while every time the US government turns around there is another price increase. Even though you don't support bush you still try to blame others for problems within the US. Just think about it for a while is all I ask. I am not a Chavez fan, all I have to go on is the media and what my cousin who's from the region and goes home every two years tells me. Infrastructure is growing in his country but not every one is happy, why I can't honestly say.
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        splitrch6 months ago
        
        Sometimes a tinpot dictator is a tinpot dictator. Clearly most of our problems are of our own making but I don't blame the United States for all the World's ills. An attitude like that is not fair and can be self deceiving.
        You say your cousin is from that region. Things seem to be improving but not everyone is happy and you don't know why. Maybe things aren't as rosey as you think. I was going to submit the attached article for general discussion but I'll post it here for you. Please let me know what you think.
        Thanks!
        http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080303/ap_on_re_la...
        
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        Jaydee406 months ago
        
        Yes my cousin is from that region, Guyana in fact but he routinely enters via Venezuela every two years, he's sixty now and married to a woman born in Canada but they spent over twenty years living in England. He said the country, Venezuela is growing leaps and bounds, bridges, schools hospitals and such things like water and electricity are much more popular since oil profits have been shared with the people. He said even his own country has seen spin offs from economic growth in Venezuela. What some people are not happy about I don't know, I don't trust things posted or aired on US new sites because history has shown them to sometimes be untruthful. Hence the saved hard drives with information against Chavez don't mean much to me. What I think is you have little fish trying to become the biggest fish in the pond, one with US help and the other in spite of it.
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        splitrch6 months ago
        
        Fair enough.
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        tanglang6 months ago
        
        You should submit that. It would make for some great conversation.
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        splitrch6 months ago
        
        Done!
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truthiness6 months ago

this should work out well
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MaxTesla6 months ago

What Colombia did was deploy its own military forces on foreign soil (Ecuador) which is not allowed
And Chavez has said that he will not allow foreign troops on his soil and has deployed some elements of his army close to the border to prevent that from happening which is the legal right of any country

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  DropkickaLib6 months ago
  
  Chavez is also allowing FARC to operate from Venezuala. Is it his legal right to allow kidnapping drug smugglers to use his country as a base?
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    unome26 months ago
    
    It doesn't seem all that unreasonable considering Columbia allows the U.S. to operate from it's country. Pesticiding indigious people from their land.
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      DropkickaLib6 months ago
      
      Nice attempted defense of the cocaine trade. Big difference between U.S. drug eradication efforts and the operations of a guerilla group who kidnap and traffic cocaine. What twisted logic is this?
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        Jaydee406 months ago
        
        The US has no desire to eradicate drug trafficking from Columbia, they just want to control it and take out the local drug lords. And you speak of twisted logic? Why should people in this region let outsiders tell them what to do?
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        DropkickaLib6 months ago
        
        All the anti-U.S. propaganda aside, why should Columbia let Hugo Chavez and Ecuador intrude in its affairs by supporting a rebellion?
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        Jaydee406 months ago
        
        So are you saying it's wrong to support rebels from another country even if your politically sympathetic, is that right?
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        DropkickaLib6 months ago
        
        Unless it's a revolt in Canada.
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        Jaydee406 months ago
        
        Again you make a hypocrite out of your self, it's getting to be a tradition isn't it?
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        DropkickaLib6 months ago
        
        The hypocricy of a self-righteous Canada defended by the U.S. I can't get over that.
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        HannibalBarca6 months ago
        
        Hahaha you are funny
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        DropkickaLib6 months ago
        
        Canada is funny.
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        Jaydee406 months ago
        
        Look up who needs who, you need us much more than we need you. Maybe you should be thankful we ignore people like you and still help the US.
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        DropkickaLib6 months ago
        
        How? By accepting our draft dodgers and far-Left defectors.
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        Jaydee406 months ago
        
        Your blind dropkick, but the sad part is that you don't even know it. If Canada stopped shipping south you would be in chaos, as for us we could find other buyers for our products, it may take a little time but they are out there.
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        DropkickaLib5 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        By "your products" you mean Beaver pelts and bad beer. I think we can get by just fine without Moosehead and Labatt's.
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        HannibalBarca5 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        24% of your oil to start dufus....are you ever dense
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        DropkickaLib5 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        Well, doofus, are you ever dimwitted and non-commital(Canadian).
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        DropkickaLib5 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        You have dog sleds, you Canadiacs don't need the oil anyhow to get across your frozen wasteland of a country.
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        HannibalBarca5 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        And at $107 Bbl we can buy lots of dog food, only we don't have to borrow from the Chinese do we, dufus
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        DropkickaLib5 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        Well, doofus, $7 isn't that much. You need people before you have enough demand for borrowed cash. You can continue to be a slightly useful appendage to the U.S. in the meantime. Just keep the French speakers under control, HannibalBarfa.
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        Jaydee405 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        Slightly useful, thats better than the US is, I really can't see a use for it at all. Their mouthy, don't pay their bills, always starting fights lately and getting others involved and never tell the truth. This is getting fun.
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        Jaydee405 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        There's the thing we love to see, Americans saying stupid things. Honestly we sit around all winter in our igloos brushing out dogs and laughing at how uneducated Americans are and the stupid things they say. For the record Americans have dog sleds too, they also have dog sled races, you see Huskies are a breed that needs to be worked so people all over the world in cold climates have dog sleds. Do I need a picture for you or did it sink in yet? As for frozen waist land maybe it's time to pull you head out of the deep freeze and warm it up some. I'm sorry you don't like our beer but most real men don't like that weak stuff you yanks call beer down there but that doesn't surprise me because your pretty weak stomached aren't you?
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        mntnman4446 months ago
        
        It is not Venezuela interfering with Columbia,Ecuador has also sent troops to their border for the same reason,to keep Columbia from crossing their borders.
        Nice attempt at defending the most corrupt govt buracracy that ever existed,the DEA...
        http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8OVQB8...
        
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        DropkickaLib6 months ago
        
        The Columbians crossed the border to attack a known FARC base. Don't leave that out.
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        mntnman4446 months ago
        
        And don't leave out the fact that when it comes to our borders you are a fierce supporter of sealed borders where nobody crosses without permission.
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        DropkickaLib6 months ago
        
        That would include kidnapping narco terrorists who are supported by another state. We aren't in the same situation...yet that Columbia is, although there have been documented cases of Mexican Army units escorting drug shipments. The point is that you have to stike terrorists at their bases and you can't do that if neighboring states harbor them and feign horror when you attack rebel bases.
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        DropkickaLib6 months ago
        
        The fact that Chavez is bankrolling and arming FARC, with the cooperation of Ecuador, doesn't matter, eh?
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        DropkickaLib6 months ago
        
        Laptop computers captured from the FARC camp have proven that Chavez is bankrolling them. What do you guys think about your buddy Hugo now?
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AntiNeoCon6 months ago

He can always get good advice from GWB concerning military operations. Maybe we can expand our empire and grab his oil too. :o/
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  tanglang6 months ago
  
  Gotta love seeing you say that. You know, if we were trying to expand our empire, we would have just taken over Venezuala or Canada instead of Iraq. We get far more oil from them, and they would have put up much less of a fight. Not to mention the gas we would save because they are much closer.
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    Aidenag6 months ago
    
    "if we were trying to expand our empire, we would have just taken over Venezuala"
    We tried that by supporting the coup attempt by Pedro Carmona. Who along with other's involved, met with MANY white house officials in the weeks leading up the coup. We gave him a green light to take over the country. Heck, within hours of the coup, we had acknowledged him as the legitimate ruler of the nation... And when it failed Carmona even went into exile in the US. He now lives as a free man in Miami under our protection.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Venezuelan_co...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedro_Carmona
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      DropkickaLib6 months ago
      
      Too bad it failed. Look at what Hugo does when left to his own devices.
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    Jaydee406 months ago
    
    Bush co are snakes, snakes are pretty smart, they know not to bit off more than they can swallow. That's why Canada is safe, as for Venezuela it would be like opening up another Iraq in south America, the US doesn't have the money or man power for that, you see they have become the true paper tiger many joked about. How many people do you think would support a draft for the present governments foreign policies? Next problem is the money is not there to replace lost equipment let alone the new equipment that would be required for a new front. The truth is while the US tries to remain hard line they are open for compromises which shows in the fact that both Chavez and AhmadinejadÂ rattles chains and the US does nothing.
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      DropkickaLib6 months ago
      
      Canada is safe because it's has more Moose than people. It's insignificant.
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        Jaydee406 months ago
        
        Do you like driving, heating your homes, building those very homes, turning you lights on in those homes, how about food for the people who live in those homes, I could go on and on but I do pity you some. Those are all things you get from Canada, the only thing becoming insignificant is the US mostly because of it's failed economy and failed foreign policies. Wake up and see just how far you fell down the food chain Dropkick, why do you think your playing with these third world countries?
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        DropkickaLib6 months ago
        
        Failed economy? You have a short-term view of things, largely based on the last 30-second CNN story you saw. Canada is a minor appendage to the U.S. and always has been. The U.S. will never be insignificant, certainly not compared to Canada. We're talking about a country that was discussing dissolution a few years ago. Gimme a break!
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        Jaydee406 months ago
        
        You really don't know anything about world affairs do you? How old are you? Are you even out of school yet? Why would I base my comments on CNN who doesn't know the truth or else is afraid to tell it? Look at the amount of money your government owes, then look at the way both parties generally want to follow how things are going. Next look at China who has a strangle grip on the US economy and will only let go a little at a time if you don't pi$$ them off. That major muck up in Iraq is not going away and it's going to keep costing more each year.. Now here is the big thing, with the rich people in the US are heavily invested in big companies, do you think they are willing to risk their financial future to bail the country out? I don't so outsourcing will stay meaning the US has very little to sell world wide to bring money into the country. What does the US have to offer on the world market?
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        DropkickaLib6 months ago
        
        We have the most vital economy in the world. Are you by chance a French Canadian? Just wondering judging from your manners and poor mastery of English.
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        Jaydee406 months ago
        
        We have the most vital economy in the world" How can you back that statement, it's based on a long term lie and a mountain of debt? You can't even manufacture enough for your own needs and have very few natural resources left. Face it your up ship crick with out a paddle.
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        DropkickaLib6 months ago
        
        Not really. The U.S. has the world's most productive workforce. If it weren't for U.S. consumer demand, there wouldn't be much manufacturing anywhere else because there wouldn't be a market for the goods produced. In the long-term, which you don't see, the U.S. will be fine. Our economy will be there to save Canada again in the next war. Don't worry.
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        Jaydee406 months ago
        
        It must suck to cling to such a weak lie in order to get by, I really pity you.
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        DropkickaLib6 months ago
        
        It must suck to live in a country that sucks! I pity French Canadians.
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        Jaydee406 months ago
        
        Canada has a higher standard of living than any country in the Americas, we have higher standards of education, health care, and social programs, yes I can see how I would rather live next door to you under your government.....lmao I would have to say most French Canadians pity you, since I am only one eighth French Canadian and mostly Scottish I am not sure about all of them though.
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        DropkickaLib6 months ago
        
        You have a healthcare system that drives doctors to the U.S. and patients who have to wait for treatment under a socialized system. Quebec is an economic basket case with a bloated social welfare system. Got a revealation for you. The French and Indian War is over and your side lost. It's North America. Learn the language...English.
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        Jaydee406 months ago
        
        Yes Canadian doctors are prized in the US and around the world, they are known for being among the best in any field so they are recruited by American hospitals and institutions. It's hard to keep them here when they offer to pay off student loans, relocation costs, housing costs and signing bonuses as well, all you need do is put up with refusing to treat poor people and the crime rate in most US cities. You try to say waiting list are a result of universal health care but I have heard of countless waiting lists in the US as well so there goes your claim. While it may be north America the country I live in is Canada and thanks to the French who built this country side by side with the English we are not American and don't have a country in chaos like you do. You see most Canadians are proud of our duality unlike most who live in the US who try to rule over their Latino brothers or Black brothers.
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        DropkickaLib5 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        You admit that Canada loses doctors to the U.S. where a private healthcare system allows them to make a decent living. There aren't waiting lists for healthcare in the U.S. Medicaid patients get right in to the hospital and to see medical practitioners. I don't know where you got that impression. The English did their best to undo the damage of French cultural influence in parts of Canada, but haven't been entirely successful. That last sentence is too stupid and bigoted to deserve a response.
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        Jaydee405 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        I admit Canadian doctors go to the US because of the money they are offered, it's hard to turn down all you bills payed and money in your pocket. As for waiting list you hear about them on the news very often, people on limited or certain insurance plans have to go to some hospitals that are overworked. It's not new news so don't try and pretend it is. If you have money you don't need to wait,it's the same way here but more has been made of waiting lists here than there really is. My son just had his MRI two weeks ago, he waited two weeks for a non emergency MRI that we or no insurance company had to pay for. As for the English and the French I don't know where you get your information from but you don't have a clue what your talking about, Canada has one French province and two bilingual provinces, add to that three other provinces with very distinct French populations and what you have is a country where most get along.
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        HannibalBarca6 months ago
        
        Not really. The U.S. has the world's most productive workforce.....Too bad they all seem to be moving out of your great nation
        If it weren't for U.S. consumer demand, there wouldn't be much manufacturing anywhere else because there wouldn't be a market for the goods produced...many call that greed, and it is a fact you have to rape other countries to keep it up, and personally what do you do to keep it up; LMAO at you
        In the long-term, which you don't see, the U.S. will be fine.....not with the likes of you in it;you are USA's biggest problem
        . Our economy will be there to save Canada again in the next war. Don't worry....and what war would that be, last one we had with you was 1812, other than that in the two world wars you were 3 years behind us
        It must suck to live in a country that sucks!....You don't like it much then move, only not here to Canada
        I pity French Canadians...yeah me too, at least we agree on something right dufus
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        DropkickaLib6 months ago
        
        No, people are still fighting to get in the U.S. No support for that theory. Rape other countries? How, by building infrastructure that wasn't there before and establishing democratic government? Well, Doofus, we don't agree on much but you should know a great deal about living in a country that sucks. I'll wipe my butt with a handfull of Oak leaves and sing O Canada today...in honor of you.
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        HannibalBarca5 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        Knowing your mentality it would be poison oak you use, and really what is with the oak statement anyway dufus....the Maple leaf is our symbol, ohh you do it to yourself every time you spout off....loser
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  DropkickaLib6 months ago
  
  Who's oil have we grabbed? We sure as hell aren't getting much from Iraq.
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    Jaydee406 months ago
    
    How would you know if you were?
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      DropkickaLib6 months ago
      
      The data are available if you care to do some research...for a change. We get more oil from Latin America than Iraq right now.
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        Jaydee406 months ago
        
        And what stops them from lying like they do about so much else? Nothing stops them does it and only a fool would keep trusting people already found to lie.
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        DropkickaLib6 months ago
        
        What are you talking about? Clearly, you didn't bother to do any research. Nothing stops you from lying.
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        Jaydee406 months ago
        
        What have I ever lied about? It's not my fault if you continue to believe people caught lying before, just because you chose to believe them doesn't mean I do. Do you realize just how easy it is to steal Iraqi oil for them now?
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        DropkickaLib6 months ago
        
        You refuse to read economic data, which means that you draw conclusions based on nothing more than your own opinion. Who's walking by blind faith?
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        Jaydee406 months ago
        
        Economic data, you mean like the value of the greenback? The fact that most American companies manufacture their products outside the US, or how much the country carries in debt? The fact that almost every currency world wide has gained steadily on the US dollar and most of Europe, Asia, and my own country are booming right now while almost every economist in the US says your in or headed for a recession. No I make it up as I go along, I don't use any data at all. You remind me of the knight in Monty Python who refuses to admit when he's defeated until there's nothing left of him.
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        DropkickaLib6 months ago
        
        We are the market for the world's goods. Our economy is more powerful in recession than a booming Canada. Quebec has always lagged behind economically in comparison with the English speaking areas of Canada.
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        Jaydee406 months ago
        
        The US makes up less than 5 percent of the worlds population and your arrogant enough to think you are the market for the worlds goods? You keep posting ridiculous claims because you believe the US to be this country the rest of the world should look at in ah, that simply is not the case. Canada's economy is solid for now but if the present Conservatives keeps trying to help slow down the tumbling US dollar they will bring his own country with it. Why the reference to Quebec's economy, are you under the impression I'm from Quebec or something?
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        DropkickaLib5 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        In spite of our relatively small portion of the world's population, we have a disproportionately large GDP. Canada's economy is linked to the U.S. economy. If you love seeing a recession here, just wait. You'll feel it even worse. Quebec is top heavy on social welfare spending and I got the impression that you were a French-speaker.
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        Jaydee405 months, 3 weeks ago
        
        Your GDP has been constantly falling when compared to imports so that makes for a very weak economy. Yes our economies are linked but we have many natural resources to sell plus a strong manufacturing base, we have changed much of our sale from US based companies to others around the world, Yes we will feel it but not near as bad as the US. Quebec is not really much higher than the rest of the country based on population, it has good economy but could be better I admit.
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  AntiNeoCon6 months ago
  
  Lighten up people...its a pun. Thanks for the negs...
  oops, sorry Tang that was supposed to be a pos.
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ghengisghan6 months ago

He is such a tool~!
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DropkickaLib6 months ago

FARC operates from Venezuala also. FARC are not just drug smugglers but engage in kidnapping. They are receiving the active support of Ecuador and Venezuala, which adds another dimension to this situation. So Columbia should never hold either of those countries responsible for arming and supporting an insurrection that has lingered on for many years? At one point, a large area commonly referred to as "FARCland" was under the control of this group. I think that Columbia has every right to finally deal with this situation effectively.
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  Jaydee406 months ago
  
  Sorry but You don't get to play the Kidnapping card since you support the US government who kidnaps also, that would be a double standard and one not permitted in logical debate.
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    DropkickaLib6 months ago
    
    We capture terrorist suspects. FARC kidnaps tourists and people off the street. Big difference!
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      Jaydee406 months ago
      
      Off the streets out of homes or public places the US does all of that. No sir you don't get away with blaming others for what your own country has done. Hypocrite.
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        DropkickaLib6 months ago
        
        You have not right to get self-righteous with me. You can't compare rounding up people placing roadside bombs with FARC's brand of narco terrorism. No sir, you don't get away with living under the U.S. defense umbrella, then squealing out anti-American propaganda!
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        Jaydee406 months ago
        
        I have every right to get self-righteous as I don't defend what one government does while chastising another for doing the same very thing. And I don't live under the US defense umbrella any more than you live under the Canadian one, where do you get this garbage? As I said if we had to have somebody protect us we would be more picky and could afford better than the US with their record.
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        DropkickaLib6 months ago
        
        You are a parasite on the U.S. I laugh at your case of international penis envy.
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        Jaydee406 months ago
        
        Do you want to honestly know what I think of that crazy statement? It show just how arrogant you are and how you have assimilated years of propaganda from American warmongers and people who think they are destined to take over the world. I am A Canadian, the US does absolutely nothing for me so how can I be a parasite on the US? Knowing you support the illegal war and occupation of Iraq, the bombing of civilians in Afghanistan, kidnapping of foreign nationals from all over the world and torturing of people in US custody makes you a blight on humanity, but I will still try and help you see the light.
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        DropkickaLib6 months ago
        
        Canada has the best of both worlds. It has a barely existent military since we defend it and it can, therefore, be self-righteous since it never has to dirty its hands with its own defense. Fewer civilians die in military action on the part of the U.S. military than in any previous war. The overwhelming majority of them die from terrorist acitivity. You lie!
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        Jaydee406 months ago
        
        Name one time the US defended Canada? Bet you can't because it never happened. Canada has a small but capable military that many countries including the US envy, to go any farther in this would only cheapen the service young men and women from both our countries provide and I will not stoop to that level. You say I lie, if so then point it out, if you can't then I don't lie do I.
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        DropkickaLib6 months ago
        
        World War I, World War II, the Cold War... We armed your pathetic military and protected you through the effectiveness of our naval and air forces. At present, Canada's flacid military couldn't fend off Luxembourg.
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        HannibalBarca6 months ago
        
        Hahaha, and you say others don't read hahaha, how come we get the highest medals that the USA will bestow on foreign troops if we are that bad, what a dufus.
        You know what I would like to see is you try and drop kick something, you would end up like Charlie Brown always does when Lucy holds the ball, but at least he would have an excuse while you would just do it to yourself ROTFLMAO......and here I thought there was only one NUMPTY
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        DropkickaLib6 months ago
        
        What medals? What are you talking about? Nevermind, I doubt you know.
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        Jaydee406 months ago
        
        Just another example of your ignorance, you really need to take in more news and history before you post Dropkick. http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tp...
        This is just from the last conflict they served tougher in.
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