Reports: Several people shot at Northern Illinois University »
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Chicago Sun-Times says gunman, who opened fire in a lecture building, is dead Local hospital says it expects to receive 15 patients, has treated at least two University had ordered student body to seek shelter, and it canceled classes Law enforcement official says that shooter used at least a shotgun
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engineer5 months, 3 weeks ago
A person who shot 13 people Thursday at Northern Illinois University's DeKalb campus outside Chicago has died, local reports said.
Most of the 13 wounded were shot in the head, said Theresa Comitas, spokeswoman for Kishwaukee Community Hospital, located about 10 minutes from the school.
According to the Chicago Tribune, the DeKalb County coroner's office said no fatalities had been immediately reported.
A local hospital tells CNN affiliate CLTV that it expects to receive 15 patients and has so far treated at least two.
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Alexia5 months, 3 weeks ago
No kidding. There was a shooting in a school in Oxnard, CA (the town next to mine) 2 days ago. What the hell is going on???
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UnusualSuspect5 months, 3 weeks ago
2nd Amendment supporters...
How many deaths does it take to make you understand having the right to bear arms is not the answer? How thick-skulled do you have to be to see that guns, available to almost anyone, even after waiting a certain period of time to get them, taking lessons on how to use them, can still lead to violence like this?
Take away most of the guns and you'll take away the greatest threat of violence in America.
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BronxBomber5 months, 3 weeks ago
US How long before you realize that you can't blame a whole group for the actions of a relative few? Tell me...do actions like this occur everyday where you live for instance? Are you saying that EVERY responsible gun owner is a crazed frothy mouthed nut? I've had my gun for twenty years, and I NEVER felt the need to go out to a mall or a university for instance, and wipe out everybody that I can see. Stop trying to bring up mass hysteria with you're alarmist type of blather that's sort of sounds like it's thick skulled.
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mesodude5 months, 3 weeks ago
"US How long before you realize that you can't blame a whole group for the actions of a relative few? "
--Americans are violent. This is indisputable. If the shoe fits...
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mesodude5 months, 3 weeks ago
"I'm an American and I abhor violence. So do all of my friends. Your generalization is very far from being indisputable."
I didn't say Americans *like* violence (although we do) I said we *are* violent. Just consider, for example, how many posters in this thread apparently believe that the way to prevent such incidents is to guarantee that all Americans are packing heat (as opposed to guaranteeing that we all have...I don't know, health insurance). I mean, the idea that the first response to come in to some people's minds would be *more* violence says a lot, wouldn't you agree?
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Mdiar5 months, 3 weeks ago
From what I've read, and I could be incorrect in what I believe most of the posters meant, is that all Americans should have a right to at least look into obtaining a firearm. Also, Americans do like violence. Your point is valid... look at the "entertainment" of today for another reference to that.
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mesodude5 months, 3 weeks ago
"From what I've read, and I could be incorrect in what I believe most of the posters meant, is that all Americans should have a right to at least look into obtaining a firearm."
Thanks. I expressed no opinion as to whether Americans should have the right to own or "look into" getting firearms (though, frankly, I don't think the mere fact that we have a lot of gun violence means we need to arm everyone in order to eliminate the problem). I was merely stating facts which should be obvious to anyone who observes us.
Americans in general are very violent, we derive pleasure from seeing carnage (we're more horrified by the idea that our kids might see two guys kissing on the internet than we are at the prospect that they might see a man slicing off another man's head, for instance) and we have a love affair with weaponry and war. We're fighting two wars and we can't wait to jump into at least one more. Very, violent...
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dissent5 months, 3 weeks ago
Some groups more than others, we tend to fall into the "more than others" group.
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mesodude5 months, 3 weeks ago
What dissent said below is true. If you don't believe us, just look at statistics. I empathize with those who don't want to acknowledge that the people who are going around the world "spreading democracy" are some of the most violent, war-prone and weapon-happy people on the planet. I'm not saying it to be antagonistic. It's about taking an honest look at our culture and our behavior.
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Mdiar5 months, 3 weeks ago
Mesodude and dissent... nowhere did I state that we were more violent or less violent. I was simply stating that it is better to clarify at the beginning that all humans are violent... it would be more accurate and make your argument more powerful in general, IMO. It would have been better to say "Humans are violent. That is indisputable. However, Americans, statistically, are more violent then other nations that are as advanced." It would have completely nullified what I said as an argument against your statement before I'd have even had a chance to say it. I don't know. I just think it would have been a way of making the argument stronger and attract less criticism in general.
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mesodude5 months, 3 weeks ago
"nowhere did I state that we were more violent or less violent. I was simply stating that it is better to clarify at the beginning that all humans are violent..."
--Mdiar, I think I hear where you're coming from but, with all due respect, it seems to me that to state the obvious (that humans are violent) before (or instead of) stating that Americans are in a class by themselves when it comes to violence, muddies the issue rather than clarifies it. Furthermore, imo anyone living in the 21St century who would be startled to learn that Americans are remarkably and uniquely violent *should be* hit over the head with this reality (rhetorically speaking).
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Daylight5 months, 3 weeks ago
mesodude
-Americans are violent. This is indisputable. If the shoe fits...
Well said, curse of God is on America because you kill people indiscriminately just because they are Muslims, you use your Zionist media to justify your killing in Iraq, Afghanistan and also you have been supporting Israel to kill Palestinians in the name of Israeli Security. Your country is a the biggest fascist regime in the world after Israel. You are a people who worship devil in the name of God and your promote all kinds of immoral things and then argue that they are civilized actions. Your people are crazy idiots just love to kill innocent people in the name of freedom, wherever and whenever they get a an opportunity because they are mentally ill. Of course that the label you use but when there is a similar thing happens in a Muslim country you blame it on Islam. Atheism, Secularism and Zionism are the cause of all the ills in America. what is the use of freedom when people behave like advanced animals?
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Endoscopy5 months, 3 weeks ago
Who is doing the by far largest amount of killing in Iraq. Muslims. Get your facts straight Daylight. The kill crazy group that acts on it is the Islamo Fascists of your own religion. This incident was a crazy person who had a gun and took it into a gun free zone. The kill crazy idiots are the Muslim jihadists. Quit the Muslim lying to defend Islam. You sound silly.
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Mutainia5 months, 3 weeks ago
I have a feeling that this rampage was caused by runaway narcism brought on by a wacked out brain chemistry. Instead of believing he would get virgins in a slothful brothel (like the Quran teaches and radicalized madrasses solidify with brain-washing), he probably had a feeling that he'd just be remembered is all. But, do any of us remember the name of the wack-job at Virgina Tech who killed more? I'd have to look it up. Looks like his plan is already fading with our memories of him.
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Daylight5 months, 3 weeks ago
Mutainia
I have a feeling that this rampage was caused by runaway narcism brought on by a wacked out brain chemistry
In fact I too have a very bad felling and it has been reveal to us that you and your buddies will get virgin pigs in a slothful brothel in the hell for practicing Satanic rituals in your churches and Synagogues as your Bible and Talmud Preach you Christians and Jews.
Listen to these before you shoot your dirty mouth:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_yApGEpmKk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBtEBCba3DI
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Mutainia5 months, 3 weeks ago
Hello, Endoscopy. I'm just happy that he continues to think Allah enjoys his rantings than him thinking he can please Allah the way his Quran tells him to. May Daylight continue to think he'll "explode" with brilliance onto the keyboard, rather than in a pizza parlor of innocent.
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mesodude5 months, 3 weeks ago
"How do you spot the lunatics? Some disorders are very difficult to diagnose."
--Well, I didn't mean monitoring them in the sense of surveillance. I think we could start by not referring to obviously mentally ill people as "lunatics" or deciding that anything we don't understand is "crazy." I don't mean to single you out (I do it too). As a society we have a lot of work to do in terms of demystifying and eliminating the stigma associated with mental illness. I also think we can do a way better job at educating ourselves about all illness.
How many people know how someone with schizophrenia behaves or what an epileptic seizure looks like or how a diabetic person with low blood sugar level might behave? Maybe they all would appear to be "crazy" to a lot of people and that discourages me.
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Mdiar5 months, 3 weeks ago
Both of my parents are therapists. I understand, more then most, the problems associated with stigmas of mental illness and how to differentiate between an oddball (like myself LOL) and someone truly mentally ill. We do have ALOT of work to do in getting rid of that stigma. Its pretty annoying when I have relatives with depression, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia AND diabetics, lol!
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Daylight5 months, 3 weeks ago
djrevelky
Yep, worked brilliantly too. The only people there that were guilty of mass killings were the military...who oddly enough, were the only people with guns. Funny how that works huh?
There is a small difference on the part of the United States of America that the mass murders are carried out by your elected president, his administration, intelligent agencies and your killing machines the military but of course you do that in somebody else's country. America is the land of the free and the brave, so the brave carry out the killings in schools, shopping malls and anywhere they think it is fit.
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ibstilyn5 months, 3 weeks ago
Umm , if you want to live in a "surveillance society"--have you seen the cameras they have in GB--in London? I'd rather live free and be able to respond to a threat at hand than to rely on the "witness 2000 system" to bring the perpetrator to justice after I'm killed. Gun control has failed in britain , but they still want us to be like them.
interesting reading on http://www.reason.com/news/show/28582.html
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Mdiar5 months, 3 weeks ago
Yes, it is working in Britain. I could care less about surveillance in public areas. However, the banning of guns is unconstitutional and there is no way to say otherwise. It violates something the founding fathers of this nation saw fit to put into the Bill of Rights. I don't disagree with gun control or insuring that only competent people obtain firearms, that have no history of mental illness, however I do disagree with an outright ban. It is unconstitutional to do so and to use the argument the Second Amendment was written in a different time with different problems can open the door to a repeal of other amendments. The Bill of Rights has taken enough of a beating over the years, I'd rather not see it take this hit. For your information, I am moving to the UK eventually because I hate guns.
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Endoscopy5 months, 3 weeks ago
It is not working in Britain. People are not allowed to defend themselves or they go to jail. Crime rate has soared since the criminals have nothing to fear from the law abiding people. A man defended himself in his own house with a gun and was jailed for longer than the thief. He had repeatedly been broken into and robbed and the police say they are the only ones to defend the people. Some defense.
The same pattern exists in the US where guns are basically outlawed in some areas. Places where the laws were rolled back to allow guns have had a drop in crime. The criminals go where they don't have to fear that some law abiding person has a gun on them.
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BB645 months, 3 weeks ago
I support the Patriot Act and the wire tapping plan that Congress just killed. I don't have problem with them tapping lines of known terrorists calling the United States. Too bad guys like Russ Fiengold didn't actually read the bill before they killed it. Then again, he's the guy cut the military budget for years but was mad on 9-11 because there wasn't fighters available to splash the planes.
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Dionys5 months, 3 weeks ago
"I don't have problem with them tapping lines of known terrorists calling the United States."
It'd be nice if that was what they were doing, but it doesn't reflect the reality of recent wiretapping. FISA covered everything they needed, it still does. They can move as fast as they want to tap whomever they want and apply for a warrant afterwards. "Warantless" anything is an invasion of privacy and arguably destructive to the Constitution of the US.
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mesodude5 months, 3 weeks ago
"Then again, he's the guy cut the military budget for years but was mad on 9-11 because there wasn't fighters available to splash the planes."
--I have no idea where you're coming up with any of this stuff about Russ Feingold. It sounds like you just don't like him. What evidence at all do you have that he "didn't actually read the bill"? This is 100% your opinion--fantasy based crapola. Also, if you chickenhawks knew the military was in such sad shape prior to 9/11 (allegedly due to budget cuts made by the Democrats), would you please explain in what universe invading multiple countries in quick succession would be a testament to sound judgement?
If, as you people love to claim, you knew our military wasn't ready, *why* did you think it made sense to invade Iraq rather than stall for more time so that we could *get* prepared? Wouldn't *that* have been the more prudent course of action?
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Obaku5 months, 3 weeks ago
Are you brain damaged?
If everyone on that campus had been carrying a gun, the shooter would have been dead in 30 seconds!
You can remain defenseless, or you can submit to the police state, go through metal detectors and strip searches at the entrance to every building, station armed police on every corner.
I would prefer to retain the right to defend myself, because the police NEVER will!
How many have to die for you to realize that?
Are you really such a coward that you must have someone protect you at every moment, and will not, can not, ever defend yourself?
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mesodude5 months, 3 weeks ago
"If everyone on that campus had been carrying a gun, the shooter would have been dead in 30 seconds!"
--But the more guns that are floating around out there means the more chances some mentally ill person will get their hands on one and mow down lots of people. Maybe the solution is being able to identify the warning signs when people are in trouble.
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Obaku5 months, 3 weeks ago
No, it means that the relative odds of the mentally ill doing significant damage is LESS.
Do you suppose that if there were no guns at all, that there would be no such incidents?
He injured less than 20. He could have done just as much damage with a bow, or a good sword.
Killing unarmed people is really, really easy - if you have a decent weapon yourself, something that humans have made for themselves for over 100,000 years.
In Rwanda, they used cheap machetes.
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mesodude5 months, 3 weeks ago
"No, it means that the relative odds of the mentally ill doing significant damage is LESS."
--Unless you assume that no unstable person would ever be able to get off a single shot, I think at best the number of deaths would be the same.
"Do you suppose that if there were no guns at all, that there would be no such incidents?"
--No. My philosphy is that it's the exceptional person that doesn't "go postal" at least once during a week. Can you imagine what life would be like if everyone had a gun while waiting in a traffic jam or in line at the bank, the grocery store, or the...um, post office? Why increase the opportunities for people to commit mass murder?
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UnusualSuspect5 months, 3 weeks ago
I just love this brilliant comment from Obaku...
"If everyone on that campus had been carrying a gun, the shooter would have been dead in 30 seconds!"
I gotta laugh...if everyone on campus had a gun, imagine all the crossfire...bullets flying left and right, people ducking, or trying to.
What was the final death and injured count...27? I'm sure with Obaku's superior reasoning, more would have been killed.
Only cowards use guns...a lone killer trying to kill many; many with guns trying to kill even more...hell, even hunters, they're cowards, too. Hunting deer and other wildlife...why not try hunting with just a knife, or be a real man...take on a deer with no weapon...ha...cowards!
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ADAGUY5 months, 3 weeks ago
How can you concern yourself with the thought that a mentally ill person might obtain a gun, when you stop to think about the fact that a mentally ill person right now controls the entire US military?
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mesodude5 months, 3 weeks ago
"How many deaths does it take to make you understand having the right to bear arms is not the answer? "
--or understand that we need to focus more on our own "wmd" before we go invading other countries to "civilize" them? When will we learn?
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Locky125 months, 3 weeks ago
Hey, ToolTime!
Outlaw guns and only outlaws will have them.
That's why this sorry waste of life probably went on this killing spree to begin with.
HE KNEW HE COULD KILL AND THEN DIE ON HIS OWN TERMS.
Since schools are generally "gun-free" zones, he knew he was preparing for a slaughter.
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Locky125 months, 3 weeks ago
It sure does. The problem is, those guns will be pointed at the back of our heads. Just like those poor kids who were brutally killed yesterday.
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ibstilyn5 months, 3 weeks ago
except you won't be alive to tell the magistrate who it was..
Gun ownership is a RIGHT--an individual RIGHT--if you don't want one ..don't buy one. The police cannot be everywhere at once . The Supreme Court ruled in 2005 that the police ARE NOT responsible for your protection. It's an INDIVIDUAL responsibility. So logic will dictate that if we are to be held personally responsible then we must be personally able to do so
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StillUnashamed5 months, 3 weeks ago
Until there is a Constitutional amendment repealing the 2nd Amendment the right to bear arms is still a Constitutional right. If you and others feel it should not be a right you are free to start the process to change the Constitution.
"Take away most of the guns and you'll take away the greatest threat of violence in America." I doubt that seriously, however, take away the right to own guns and soon all other rights will be taken away.
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rwrnae5 months, 3 weeks ago
How is it that in the 1950's and 60's out here in the Western states half the pickups in the parking lot at the high school had a 30/30 hanging in the window, all of us had guns, had been shooting since we were little kids and no one did this kind of thing? Could it just possibly be that the "new" methods of child rearing, i.e., Dr. Spock, are not working? We had teachers we didn't like, kids we didn't like but no one was foolish enough to take out a gun and start shooting people. We had been taught right from wrong, often times at the business end of a belt. We were also taught that we were NOT special, we were prepared for life in the hard, cold world that doesn't give a rip about you and your "personal problems."
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Dionys5 months, 3 weeks ago
Blaming Dr Spock is ridiculous. The gun culture of the "Western States" or smaller towns where hunting and RIFLE marksmanship stands out as important (and is a useful skill to have if you actually live off what you kill) is very, very different from the handgun toting (or assault-rifle toting) gun-nuts that inhabit the cities or go around talking about how they wish someone would rob them so they could blow them away.
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mesodude5 months, 3 weeks ago
"We had been taught right from wrong, often times at the business end of a belt. We were also taught that we were NOT special, we were prepared for life in the hard, cold world that doesn't give a rip about you and your "personal problems."
--What I find ironic about your comment is that, in my experience, it's almost always those people who think our society is overly permissive and that our education system is tainted by a liberal bias who are the very ones who freak out (and accuse others of being "un-American" or "treasonous") when we suggest that Americans (both collectively and individually) might want to look in the mirror to solve their problems rather than immediately resorting to violence.
I see nothing wrong with teaching people that they're special. The problem is that some of us grow up without differentiating between "special" and "superior to."
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Mdiar5 months, 3 weeks ago
Yes, it is a cultural issue. I think, in a way, you picked out the right reason to. Child rearing. The philosophy of other eras was that family and the group came before the individual. Somewhere that changed. Now the individual is special- fine, I don't mind that philosophy. After all, we are unique, are we not? The problem came when that belief triggered that the individual was more important then the family. The individuals, the parent's of the more recent years neglect a child emotionally if not physically. This is continuing down and truly needs to stop. Nothing can replace that individual time with your kid and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Spend time with your kids, not working overtime when you don't need the money or when you go on a vacation, bring the kids with ya! It'll raise a much healthier kid, I bet!
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PsychoHosebeast5 months, 3 weeks ago
It's called "crazy people like to be famous before they die."
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koranagirl5 months, 3 weeks ago
Yeah, do you think that maybe people have to be kinder and much more polite to one another. Maybe we should take an interest in our neighbors and not be so hard hearted.
I personally believe that in Chicago it starts with our schools and our police force. Our police force has been sued for tens of millions of dollars over cops that beat people up, rape and even torture suspects and innocent civilians.
We have to start teaching people to be kind and caring to one another. Cutting in, tailgating, speeding is another example on our roads of how disrespectful people are to one another. But "respect" isn't even enough to solve the problem.
I don't think any of this will stop until we start teaching people how to be kind and caring toward one another. People should learn to hug and kiss one another and be sensitive to someone else's feelings.
It's obvious that no one was close enough to this guy to even know what he had planned. How utterly sad.
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GWHayduke5 months, 3 weeks ago
I wonder if the NRA had to pry the gun from his cold dead hands.
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koranagirl5 months, 3 weeks ago
Your comment is EXACTLY what I mean. Thank you for being a great example of how a hard hearted, mean, nasty comment will only polarize people and get them backed into some deep dark corner where they only way they think they can escape is by killing themselves and taking other human lives with them.
I'm not kidding. Your comment is right on point to show people how much we really need to think about what we say, what our philosophy of life is and how to start the day.
If you start your day saying "I'm going to teach everyone a lesson and stop all over everything and everyone", then your comment will flow right out of your mouth at the appropriate time to push others to violence.
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koranagirl5 months, 3 weeks ago
But if you start the day by saying "I want love, patience, sympathy and peace to be with me today", then you will be able to change the world and move mountains.
That guy must have been in a whole lot of emotional pain to do something like this. He was extremely intelligent and the professors liked him a lot.
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dissent5 months, 3 weeks ago
are you saying that the pursuit of peace and love is a distraction from reality? kind of sad don't you think? look, i know what the reality is and i know how to deal with it but i don't want to spend my days being angry, being p*ssed off and looking to p*ss people off. that's a waste of time and a horrible negative way to spend a life. makes me wonder what's the point if that's what it comes to. i'm with kgirl. we gotta work on improving ourselves and our attitudes, rise above the sh*t.
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Fedquip5 months, 3 weeks ago
People with this type of rage need to join institutions where the ability to kill is asset. I urge all students out there to learn how to control your urges of killing, if you don't know how then ask a counselor.
After some good training, you could be a decorated killing machine and hero.
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vor5 months, 3 weeks ago
Ever heard of Tim McVey? Charles Whitman? Just two examples among many with military backgrounds. It's not like the military repairs the mind. These are disturbed individuals who carry out these acts.
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BronxBomber5 months, 3 weeks ago
Oh! Is the WHOLE of society filled to the rafters with individuals like McVey and Whitman?
I don't know where you live, but you better move out son.
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dissent5 months, 3 weeks ago
what's up bb? it's seems u take what I have to say or what i neg a little too personally, don't you think? i usually agree with a lot of what you have to say on other subjects, especially bush and iraq. it just so happens that on guns i don't agree with you, so you get all shirty. what's with that?
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BronxBomber5 months, 3 weeks ago
dissy, you brought the negging subject up like a be-atch in heat...check the thread, if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen, seems like you're the one who can't take what you dish out, and you're playing a game with double standards...well that don't cut any ice with me, the reason why I was cross with you in the first place is that you were being curt with 'StillUnashamed' with sort of a provincial attitude, and I thought it wasn't respectful or right.
So quit being so uppidity, because you're not all that right in you're comments,some...but not all, and I'm not the 'only one' negging you btw. Now be an adult, let this drop, & try to keep you're SHIRT on...OK?
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BronxBomber5 months, 3 weeks ago
No I don't know what you're talking about...Are you nuts or something??? 0_o
Serious! Don't give me that old bullcrap. Grow up and try something new! You sound like that other other moron LibsRfunny, is he you're sock puppet or something? You both sound alike ... cry babies, Wah! Wah! Wah! Somebody call a "Wah"bulance...I'll have pickles with that "
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