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Posted By STONERS 8 months, 4 weeks ago in NewsA training manual for Canadian diplomats lists the United States as a country where prisoners risk torture and abuse, citing interrogation techniques such as stripping prisoners, blindfolding and sleep deprivation.
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TheRealizer8 months, 4 weeks ago
Reports like this should make everyone reading it proud to be a United States citizen.
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TheRealizer8 months, 4 weeks ago
All of these last 65 years I had thought the U. S. was the beacon of fairness in civil liberties. Send us your poor, your huddled masses, and we will send them to Gitmo!!!!!!
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hdthehn8 months, 4 weeks ago
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Tossing bombs because the US invades their country on the basis of lies and then rounds up the masses (guilty or innocent) and places them in Abu Ghareb and well you know the rest of the story.
What would you do if the USA were invaded on similar terms???
Submit like a coward and be tortured or fight to the death?
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ProudBlueTexan8 months, 4 weeks ago
"He said the U.S. does not authorize or condone torture. "We think it should be removed and we've made that request. We have voiced our opinion very forcefully," Wilkins said."
Hey Canada, tell 'em K.M.A.!!!
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ETproductions8 months, 3 weeks ago
The train wreck isn't just torture. Violation of the Geneva Convention and UN Charter, which as signed treaties are by our Constitution part of the law of the land.
It's debt approaching 10 trillion dollars.
Jobs forever off-shored to China.
Katrina.
The mortgage meltdown, after the Repugnicans pushed through congress a bankruptcy reform that makes it virtually impossible to ever escape debt.
The economy in the doldrums.
Look at what King George ran on. Smaller government and decreased spending. Flunk. Clean up Washington and restore the honor of the office. Flunk.
In fact, the only promise he delivered on was a tax cut, and that went almost exclusively to the rich. The tiny cut for middle income taxpayers was taken back by slashes in Pell Grants, slashes in support to states. Property taxes went through the roof, driving many retired people out of their lifelong homes. But the percentage of wealth held by the top 1% has doubled under the Repugnicans.
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MRCOFFEECAKE8 months, 4 weeks ago
We know. Despite the yahoo cowboys who think we can do no wrong because everyone else stinks and isn't as good as us,
WE know!
I happen to favor torture in the circumstances of war.
The old rules don't work.
If we are gentlemen this will not prevent them from blowing themselves up amongst innocent civilians or beheading kidnap victims.
I believe that there are come combatants who would think twice about getting captured alive if they thought the could have information that could be "pried" out of them to save innocents...
This is very violent world and we have to decide who we are really going to go to extremes to protect..Don't we?
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Candida8 months, 3 weeks ago
MRCOFFEECAKE: "I happen to favor torture in the circumstances of war. The old rules don't work. If we are gentlemen this will not prevent them from blowing themselves up amongst innocent civilians or beheading kidnap victims."
How has it worked so far? Has it prevented the suicide bombings or the beheading of kidnap victims?
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automan9098 months, 4 weeks ago
There is nothing wrong with torture if it is done to save American lives. I am all for it under the right situation.
Gitmo is fine with me too. So is dropping a nuke or two for freedom. It worked in Japan. The war ended and many American lives were saved as a result. A lot of us would not be here today if our fathers and grandfathers had to invade the shores of Japan. It's the cost of freedom. You have to fight for it.
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thaw8 months, 4 weeks ago
the problem is that the japanese did not have anything comparable to retaliate with. and knew that it would only escalate further if they did.
do you want to take the same risk with your new enemies??
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Candida8 months, 4 weeks ago
automan909: "There is nothing wrong with torture if it is done to save American lives."
In other words, it's fine and dandy as long as it's done to others, right? What would become of us if everybody thought that way?
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"It's the cost of freedom."
Are you really free? You live in constant fear.
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Endoscopy8 months, 4 weeks ago
Look up the word torture. I posted it below. Then figure out how embarrassing, making uncomfortable, or disorienting someone is torture. Where is the severe pain? Where is the extreme anguish of body or mind? Investigators lie to suspects being interrogated all the time and play good cop , bad cop. I guess this is torture as well.
Words have meaning but liberals seem to have to change their meaning.
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MRCOFFEECAKE8 months, 4 weeks ago
It takes courage to say what you did, and I agree.
Even though our government leans towards supporting worldwide fascism we still MUST defend our innocent citizens..
AT ALL COSTS!
I know I can sleep at night if I found out we tortured the
terror threat against Ft. Lauderdale, Boston or Oklahoma City out of someone BEFORE it happens..
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Candida8 months, 3 weeks ago
MRCOFFEECAKE: "I know I can sleep at night if I found out we tortured the terror threat against Ft. Lauderdale, Boston or Oklahoma City out of someone BEFORE it happens."
There is a small problem though. You don't know ahead of time who has that information, so you have to torture a lot of innocent people to find the ones who do. What if those innocents were your family? Would you still support torture?
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donald518 months, 4 weeks ago
Auto, you unscrupulous fool! So you like that the author of Dumya's torture memo debated at Notre Dame University by saying that we should crush the testacles of the son of a suspected terrorist to get the terrorist to talk? Suspected? A son mutaliated for a suspected terorist dad? How American of you and the people who still support this vile president we have!
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quackpot8 months, 4 weeks ago
automan,
You have a very unpatriotic faith in those who run Gitmo and in those others who may be doing the torture. Why do you trust these folks who try to hide from public scrutiny and from congressional investigations?
The founding fathers of the United States certainly did not trust such characters.
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Endoscopy8 months, 3 weeks ago
Why do you say they are doing horrible things without proof? I'd hide from a liberal committee. Truth does not matter to them when the cameras are rolling. One time Ted Kennedy did a rant ripping apart a man that was testifying before his committee. He asked horrid questions that tried to twist what the man was saying. After the hearing Kennedy told the man there was nothing personal about it. He was just advocating for his side. That is the mentality of those people. They created the term Borking someone by creating a smokescreen of lies and innuendo about Robert Bork because they did not like his judicial point of view.
This is the type of people trying to investigate this and you fools trust them?
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TonyByron8 months, 4 weeks ago
"A training manual for Canadian diplomats lists the United States as a country where prisoners risk torture and abuse, citing interrogation techniques such as stripping prisoners, blindfolding and sleep deprivation."
Yeah, maybe if we sat down with these illegal enemy combatants over tea and cookies they would tell all they know and come to love us.
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keyfitter8 months, 4 weeks ago
"Respect the law"
It's comments like this one, that make me question human intelligence and the ability for independent thought.
It depends on who makes and who enforces "The Law". Hitler had a sovereign government and look what happened to six million people, who went from respecting the law to fearing it, as they were being exterminated. Don't even tell me that ALL of the German people complied with "The Law", more than they feared it.
It may not just be foreign terrorists, but American born citizens who get to enjoy government sponsored torture as well, if even some of information on the Internet is correct. Just type "U.S. government electronic torture" or "organized gang stalking" into your Google browser. Some of these websites seem to be credible.
If they are credible, then you had best be careful of what you wish on others. Someday, you just might get a taste of it, yourself.
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nikkibabe8 months, 4 weeks ago
Quote from "Tony Byron":
"Yeah, maybe if we sat down with these illegal enemy combatants over tea and cookies they would tell all they know and come to love us".
You cannot invade and occupy a muslim country for OIL and expect all other muslims to love you.
Your country is done with muslims. You will be in confrontation with them for decades to come.
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Endoscopy8 months, 4 weeks ago
nikkibabe
"You cannot invade and occupy a muslim country for OIL and expect all other muslims to love you.
Your country is done with muslims. You will be in confrontation with them for decades to come."
Where have you been for the entirety of your life. The US has been attacked by Islamo Fascists terrorists for decades. Which came first, Iraq or the two attacks on the Twin towers? How about the blowing u of embassies and barracks?
Islamo Fascists are following the example of Muhammad. Convert to Islam or die. They say they will not attack unless the they are attacked first or to attack oppression. Their definition of being attacked is having movies, radio, and television abhorant to their religion coming into contact with Muslims. Oppression to them is any country that does not have Sharia law.
They want you, nikkibabe, to convert or die. Nothing less is satisfactory. That is the model Muhammad set for them.
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Natureboy8 months, 4 weeks ago
"Which came first, Iraq or the two attacks on the Twin towers? How about the blowing u of embassies and barracks?"
Iraq came first, study your history. The US has been meddling in Iraq's internal affairs since the 1950s, and Saddam Hussein was purely a creature of the good ole USA.
Mind you, there has been NO connection established between Iraq and the twin tower attacks, that is purely a brainfart.
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Endoscopy8 months, 3 weeks ago
Read a biography of Muhammad. Then spout off. They hate anybody that is not a Muslim. Their avowed aim is to convert the world any way they can to Islam. The most popular way for many centuries was to conquer and then give them the options. Convert or in the end die. Christians and Jews can pay a special extra tax and be kept in subjection. Failure to pay the tax means convert or die.
Then idiots say they are the religion of peace. Thay are really the religion of war. That is how they expanded for over 1000 years. They advanced into France in 732 and were defeated at the Battle of Tours. They were pushed out of Spain in 1492. Another highwater mark was when they were defeated just outside Vienna. They went East into India and west over north Africa. They extended south into many parts of Africa. They controlled all the middle east. All by conquering by war.
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Candida8 months, 4 weeks ago
"Canada was well aware that Omar Khadr's allegations of being tortured had a ring of truth to it. Canada has not once raised the protection of Omar Khadr when there are such serious allegations," Edney said. "What does that say to you about Canada's commitment to the rule of law and human rights? It talks on both sides of its face."
Very true. I wish the Harper government had the courage to say openly what most Canadians know anyway. Canada should speak up for the rule of law and human rights even if it means economic retaliation from the US, which it would.
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Candida8 months, 4 weeks ago
I don't want to defend Khdar's actions, but if he threw a grenade at US soldiers, which is not proven, he did it after the US attacked Afghanistan.
Yes, even if someone killed my son, I would want him/her treated within the law, without subjecting the person to torture. This in not out of kindness to the killer, but to preserve my own humanity.
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donald518 months, 4 weeks ago
Hey TOaD, Canada did this because they have had two of their nationals illegally toruted by the US, one overseas and a teenager still now at Gitmo? So, we have facts supporting our evil pol
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