Former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto Assassinated at Rally in Pakistan »
Posted by: daducha 8 months ago726 Comments Report this Story
Pakistani opposition leader Benazir Bhutto was assassinated Thursday in a homicide attack that also killed at least 20 others at a campaign rally.
Read Full Story at foxnews.com
Join the Discussion 
+ Add Comment
Comments So Far: 726
-
-
-
-
0%
Thinker228 months ago
FACTS are pretty difficult to argue with. This is the reason you complain about "mass generalizations" neither BoBo nor anyone else made.
You see, not ALL Muslims are violent terrorists but, unfortunately, almost ALL violent terrorists are Muslims using Islam as a guide for their actions.
Reply-
0%
PsychoHosebeast8 months ago
Yeah, God knows no Christians have ever run roughshod over the world, right? I mean, ask any American Indian--or Muslim for that matter.
Reply-
0%
Thinker228 months ago
Does the fact that Christians were violent 600 or even 60 years ago make the Muslims LESS violent today?
Reply-
-
0%
crghss8 months ago
The west and Christianity has evolved. Islam hasn't. Just ask women in the Middle East.
Reply-
0%
ProudBlueTexan8 months ago
"The west and Christianity has evolved"
That's the biggest load of s**t I ever seen on these boards.'Christianity has evolved'! Yeh, evolved into bushCo, the most hated regime on earth. You speaking of the same christianity that supports bush/cheney and their high crimes and misdemeanors from both sides of the pulpit? What's the body count today, minister? Let's not get started on the christian role in fascism....
Reply-
0%
toph19738 months ago
No matter what religion it is they all have extremists and fundamentalists. Look at the Christian cowards. Bombing abortion clinics and shooting docs. These scum are no better than the cowards that assasinated Bhutto. The common factor in all of this is religion. This is the root of the problem.
Rest in Peace Ms. Bhutto.
Reply-
0%
schillinfl18 months ago
Yeah you know...there are some wacko christians who bomb abortion clinics. However it pales in comparison to the Muslim extremist ideology where 10% of ALL muslims are estimated to be extremist or sympathetic to their cause. To compare an ideology to few, and yes a few is laughable.
Lets make a list of all muslim terrorist attacks in the last hundred years and a list of all abortion clinic bombings in the same time frame. Maybe then you'll see how silly your "comparison" is.
Reply-
-
0%
dissent8 months ago
Then there's all those wars in the last hundred years from the so-called Christian countries.... you know, I reckon we could round and round in these pointless circles for years and still not get anywhere. That's what happens when you completely miss the point because all you want to do is hang your hatred of a side issue on what adds up to being mostly a political assassination and a few folks trying to grab power, and that includes us.
Reply-
-
0%
ybdogsct8 months ago
SCHILLIN:
"Those wars over the last hundred years were based on christian idealism? That's why there were wars? World War I and II were baed on christianity?"
You don't have to go as far back as WWI and WWII. Just look at present day Iraq. The number of fatalities against Muslims led by fundamentalist born-again Christian Bush Jr between 79,787 and 86,923...and counting. And that's just in one country.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/...
"President George W Bush told Palestinian ministers that God had told him to invade Afghanistan and Iraq. President Bush said to all of us: 'I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, "George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq." And I did.'"
Reply -
0%
dissent8 months ago
Oookay, guess this Christian thing is just a wintercoat that countries put on when they need to, and we all know how Bush never called these wars a crusade and how he never said he talks to god and on and on and on. Is that enough wriggle room for you yet?
Reply
-
-
-
-
0%
Thinker228 months ago
> ...it pales in comparison to the Muslim extremist ideology where 10% of ALL muslims are estimated to be extremist or sympathetic to their cause.
I'm not sure WHO made this estimation but somehow I do not believe in it. You see, if 10% of ALL muslims were extremist or sympathetic to their cause it would mean the remaining 90% were NOT extremist or sympathetic to their cause... and this would make the wide spread extremism in Islamic countries EXTREMELY unlikely.
Reply -
0%
toph19738 months ago
Well, if we really want to compare Christains and Muslims lets really compare them. Estimates range from 100 to 300 million people killed as a result of Christianity. If we really want to compare the two Christianity is tops in killing. More than all wars, Hitler, Pol, Pot, Stalin, all dictators and fascists combined. Christianity is just as evil as Islam. There's no getting around it.
Reply-
0%
GWHayduke8 months ago
Blaming a religion for the cause of deaths is ridiculous, absurd and perpetuates the problem.
It is the perversion of the interpretation of ANY religious writing by extremist zealots in desperate circumstances (self perceived or otherwise) that fosters the hatred that leads to murder.
Reply
-
-
0%
ProudBlueTexan8 months ago
Who's doing the estimating, and who's swallowing the estimate hook, line & sinker?
And what's the percentage of American christian extremists sympathetic to bushCo's cause? They have the same cause: domination.
Reply
-
-
0%
cowboygrandpa8 months ago
toph1973:
No. Not religion. Religious fanatics. That is the true problem with any belief system. Being a Christian I refute the hatred spread in the name of Christ. Christ died for all people. Not one of us is free from sin. He taught love not hatred. He wept for those who were going to perish. It is not what he wants. So please do not group all of us together. There are many Christians who are sick to death of the war and lies being spread in he name of God.
Those who seek to destroy others in the name of God are not doing God's work. They are doing the work of satan their god. No mater what religion they claim. The root of the problem is the lies and hatred spread by the haters in this world. They seek to control and destoy in the name of their god whatever they call him.
I am sorry for the death of Ms. Bhutto. It is such a useless thing to murder another for you gain nothing while losing your own humanity.
Reply
-
-
-
0%
NotVulgarName8 months ago
You need to have your head extricated from someone's posterior to travel the world. I think you also might be surprised.
Reply
-
-
0%
djn3nunez38 months ago
Yeah the pastor that pickets military funerals sure did evolve alright......
The ME has been occupied one way or another since WWI. Either by direct occupation or through supporting dicators and or Royal families that are sympathic to American/British businesses.
My grandmother was not allowed to vote and that was less than a hundred years ago.
Reply-
0%
MRCOFFEECAKE8 months ago
Right. but the difference is that we have accepted formal laws and governments to keep it all in order. So, the Judeo-Christian nations may appear to be more evolved, and yes, I believe that they are, but also more organized.
Religion itself has always been the real weapon used to gain power. Presently, the Carnegies, Rockefellers, Bushes,
and Rothschilds control much of the power in western civilzation, but cannot control the Muslim world..
It is VERY confusing, but it is still all about how you package it. Our package is neater and our guys ahve betetr weapons to defend their assets and wealth.
The world has been dying slowly and we're just a little closer to the ultimate. It may be in 15 years, 25 years or 50, but mankind is just not suited to live on the same limited planet in peaceful harmony as populations grow and
technology advances.
Reply-
-
0%
MRCOFFEECAKE8 months ago
So do I (hope that I'm wrong)....but think about it.
50 years ago there were 4 billion on earth consuming
15% of the resources. The "civilized world" consumed 13% and third world consumed 2%..
100 years ago there were a billion humans consuming 4% of the world's resouces and the civilized world consumed 3 1/2%
while the third world consumed 1/2%..
Now there are 7 billion humans consuming 75% of our resources and polluting in record numbers and the third world is consuming at least the same 13% that we once consumed in the 1950's.
These numbers are going askew and we will soon be running out of resources for the soon to be 8-9 billion huimans who are all polluting at record numbers as our resources (including land) begin to dry out. We're already running out of water in at least 7 states, aren't we.
We have wars over oil, and it will soon be over water also..
We need a plan..
Reply
-
-
-
-
0%
djn3nunez38 months ago
In response to:
...Just ask women in the Middle East.
In Iraq prior to the first gulf war Women did not need to wear shrouds. They held professional positions. They were educated. In other words they were evolving into a Western style nation. Just like we evolved from our darker days of opressing women and minorities.
Reply
-
-
-
0%
Beau78908 months ago
Oh, stop it.
I don't believe the assassins of JFK, Martin Luther King, John Lennon or Yitzhak Rabin were Muslim...
Do any of you want me to list more?
By the way, "Thinker," you said:
"You see, not ALL Muslims are violent terrorists but, unfortunately, almost ALL violent terrorists are Muslims using Islam as a guide for their actions."
I didn't realize Timothy McVeigh, the IRA, neo-Nazis and white supremacists had all converted to Islam.
Reply-
-
0%
Beau78908 months ago
For Pete's sake. Do you really think Judaism and Christianity have "evolved" since 1995, and that none of their members would ever assassinate again?
Reply-
0%
ybdogsct8 months ago
BOBO:
"Yes, how about the list since 2001?"
Somewhere between 79,787 and 86,923...and counting. And that's just in one country.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/...
"President George W Bush told Palestinian ministers that God had told him to invade Afghanistan and Iraq. President Bush said to all of us: 'I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, "George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq." And I did.'"
Reply-
0%
marshx8 months ago
you make a valid point Bush used God just as the islamist terrorists do.
Reply -
0%
cowboygrandpa8 months ago
ybdogsct:
Bush is just plain crazy. He is hearing voices from the alcohol and drug abuse. He only thinks he is hearing from God because others have told him so. They have their agenda and need a puppet for their spokesman.
Reply
-
-
0%
quackpot8 months ago
Of the terrorists attacks in Europe last year, about half were Muslim-related. The other half were by various separatist groups.
I don't know how this comment got under yours, Beau - it was supposed to be in reply to one of BoBo's inane comments.
Reply-
0%
tanglang8 months ago
-
0%
ybdogsct8 months ago
Yet, your article's fatality count pales in comparison to this body count.
Reply-
-
0%
namecritic8 months ago
need to remember whose weapons were used on the kurds and who lifted the no fly zone so it could happen.
Reply -
0%
ybdogsct8 months ago
TANGLANG:
"How many of those were killed by islamics?"
Read their methodology. The IBC records only civilian deaths resulting from war with US-led military forces. The greatest cause of violent death is from aerial bombardment, and the civilians most likely killed by aerial bombardment are children.
"Iraq Body Count (IBC) records the violent civilian deaths that have resulted from the 2003 military intervention in Iraq. Its public database includes deaths caused by US-led coalition forces and paramilitary or criminal attacks by others."
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/analysis/qa/ibc-in...
"Deaths in our database are by definition war-related."
http://www.zmag.org/lancet.pdf
"Air strikes from coalition forces accounted for most violent deaths...The fact that more than half the deaths reportedly caused by the occupying forces were women and children is cause for concern."
Reply -
0%
ybdogsct8 months ago
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/analysis/qa/ibc-in...
"Children were most at risk from aerial bombardment, where 48% of victims for whom the age was know were children."
TANGLANG:
"Also, how can you compare the death toll from a war to that of islamic terroists?"
This is not a war; it's an occupation. There was NO official Congressional Declaration of War and no authorization from NATO/UN. It is similar because both to the violence caused by Islamic fundamentalitsts in the way that it exploits religion to justify violence.
TANGLANG:
"Also, the amount of Kurds saddam killed is just slightly higher at 400,000."
Those weapons were given to Saddam by the U.S. and its allies. Because we knew of Saddam's dictatorial rule prior to the approval of these arms, we share responsibility for its use.
Reply -
0%
ybdogsct8 months ago
http://foi.missouri.edu/terrorbkgd/uscorpsinira...
"when the massive pile of documents from Iraq appeared, there would be evidence of U.S. (and European) culpability in aiding the Iraqi weapons programs, dating back to before the Gulf War, but covering the period of Hussein's rise and his worst crimes. Here is a list of US corporations that alegedly supplied Iraq with nuclear, chemical, biological, and missile technology, prior to 1991. The list comes from the original Iraqi report to the Security Council.
Reply -
0%
ybdogsct8 months ago
http://www.laweekly.com/news/features/made-in-t...
"Gary Pitts, a Houston attorney, has sued American and European companies for supplying Iraq's program to build weapons of mass destruction. The Weekly...identified 24 American-based corporations and 50 American subsidiaries of foreign corporations...named by Iraq in U.N. documents as suppliers for its weapons programs. Powell has been notably silent on issues of U.S. culpability, corporate profiteering or violations of international chemical, nuclear and biological treaties...Thiodiglycol, a substance needed to manufacture deadly mustard gas, made its way to Iraq via Alcolac International, Inc., a Maryland company and ConocoPhillips, an American oil and energy company."
Reply-
-
0%
ybdogsct8 months ago
TANGLANG:
"Their list of 'civilians' does not include the "civilians" who attacked our boys in Haditha right? Or any other case like that one? Or the ones who were killed by our troops when they were just returning fire now would they?"
No, it does NOT include Iraqis who initiate violence. Why don't you try examining their Methods as I suggested in a previous post? This would preempt all of your ill-informed questions. By all accounts, the IBC presents a VERY conservative number. The real number of dead Iraqi civilians (NOT combatants) is likely much higher.
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/about/methods/3
"The range given in the IBC count refers to civilian deaths. The boundary between civilians and others is not always clear-cut. Excluded from IBC are those aged 18 and over who, at the point of death, were reported as initiating deadly violence or being active members of a military or paramilitary organisation."
Reply
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
0%
Thinker228 months ago
> I didn't realize Timothy McVeigh, the IRA, neo-Nazis and white supremacists had all converted to Islam.
They did not. You should look up the meaning of the word ALMOST in your favorite dictionary. Basically, it means NOT ALL.
When you're done educating yourself you'll hopefully, be ready to comprehend the meaning of the entire statement below:
Not ALL Muslims are violent terrorists but, unfortunately, almost (pay attention to the word ALMOST here!) ALL violent terrorists are Muslims using Islam as a guide for their actions."
Reply-
0%
Beau78908 months ago
And you should produce some numbers backed by sources. Let's also remember the Quebecois, the Basque separatists, etc. Then we can compare the numbers of terrorist acts.
Or you could just check ybdogsct's links above.
And once you've actually looked up some facts and baseed your opinions on them rather than generalizing, then you can stop lecturing people about "educating themselves."
Reply-
0%
MRCOFFEECAKE8 months ago
truthfully, there is no credible defense for the overwhelming number and percentage of Muslin terrorism.
it is running 10-1 or higher.
But, the question comes down to whether or not some of
their beliefs are based on a response to previous atrocities commited against them.
My best estimiate is that they are not remotely justified,
but somewhere in there they do have SOME points. However their violence diminishes their credibility.
Where were they when the Nazis and Italians occupied their land from 1938-1945???
They did little or nothing.
We are up against a new enemy, much like the riots in 1968 caused racial strife, or did the racial strife cause the riots? Some of the enemy is amongst us.
Their hatred is now feeding off itself and we must find a way to slow down or control the cycle.
Unfortunately we now have nukes and rogue states etc.
it is very complicated and none of you, no I, can explain it in 10,000 word or less.
Reply-
0%
Thinker228 months ago
> Where were they when the Nazis and Italians occupied their land from 1938-1945???
> They did little or nothing.
This is not exactly true. They (or, at least their leaders) did something. For example, the future Egyptian Presidents Gamal Abdel Nasser and Mohammad Anwar Sadat co-operated very actively with the German forces. The prominent Palestinian leader Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and Arafat's uncle Muhammed Amin al-Husseini lived in Berlin during the war, where he was involved in the mobilization of support for Germany among Muslims. In November 1941 the Mufti met with Hitler.
Reply
-
-
-
-
-
-
0%
jmopinion8 months ago
Not only the women but the gays too which are put to death just for being gay.
Reply -
0%
rightfromwrong8 months ago
How has the USA evolved? Oh ya...The President and his cronies helped make the 9/11 attack on the world trade centers worse and killed Americans just so that could justify going to war with Iraq who had no WMD and Saddam hated the extremists. Iraq used chemical weapons provided by the USA and Britain to kill Iranians because they were winning the war. Now in Iraq Bushes Americans have killed over 125,000 and displaced over 700,000 Iraqis. The USA has allowed less then 200 into their country as refugees and you can bet they were hand picked and wealthy. The USA is a butcher!!!!
Reply
-
-
-
-
-
0%
saintetienne8 months ago
"It looks like the meaning of the idiom is as lost on you as as the meaning of your name."
Or, as Bubba Clinton once said, after porking Cow Lewinsky: "It depends on what the meaning of "is" is."
Reply -
-
-
-
-
-
0%
MRCOFFEECAKE8 months ago
Do you have anything to add, or are you just popping in pretending to be a 3rd grade teacher?
Reply -
0%
djn3nunez38 months ago
Why is that Wolfie? Don't you think religionist and violence go hand in hand? It is a human trait that is not limited to Islamic radicals. Yes the West (Christians) are the king of the mountian and we've had our way with most of the Arab world. Now if someday the roles were reversed do you think that Christian freedom fighters would resort to an Old Testement style of fighting an overwhelmingly technologically advanced oppressor?
Reply
-
-
-
-
-
0%
djn3nunez38 months ago
Ask any southern black who was around during 20's or 30's how tolerent the White Christians were.
Reply-
0%
crghss8 months ago
During 20's and 30's who wasn't racist? Look at countries today and tell me who isn't or is racist. What's your point?
How did we go from Islamist killing a politician in their own country to southern White Christian in the 20 and 30? Guess your right din3nunez, racism.
Reply-
-
-
0%
dissent8 months ago
Wow, I see you're right into this rationalization thing too, hey? Here's a clue... You might have seen the word racism pop up a few times during the above comments. You might wanna pay special attention to it because it's relevant to the point. Zeroing in on them being Christian is not but it was made in response to you and others who want to make Muslims the focus of all discussion about the assassination of Bhutto when it is actually irrelevant. So when Bhutto takes a bullet it's not about Muslims as much as you and a few other dimbulbs here say it is. It's more likely to be about politics and power, something I find fascinatingly absent from most of the comments of the Muslim bashers commenting here who seem pre-occupied with Muslims killing themselves and others.....as if Christians have never done the same. That's the point. Aka hypocrisy.
Reply-
0%
tanglang8 months ago
How does what some people who were Christian did decades and centuries ago compare to what muslims are doing today? Also, just because some people killed in the name of Christianity does that mean all Christians are hypocrites? For that matter, everytime someone kills in tha name of Christianity, Christians immediatly speak out in opposition to their actions, don't they get credit for that?
As for the responsible party, I'd be willing to bet that Musharrif is more scared than he has ever been. Why? Because he is most likely next on the killers list.
Reply-
0%
dissent8 months ago
I guess you didn't read my post especially the bits about irrelevancy. And who said Musharraf is the responsible party? Responsible for what? The assassination? So if he's responsible for the assassination and he's on the killer's list do you think anyone will suspect suicide? Or will it just be another chance to crap on about Muslims being killers?
Reply-
0%
tanglang8 months ago
I wasn't saying that he was responsible. You had mentioned that it was more about politics. If it is about politics the most likely culprit would be Musharraf. I don't think this is true. I believe that this has more to do with islamic extremists and would think that Musharraf needs to watch his back. Side note, even if this was about politics and power, it still takes islamic extremists to carry this act out. Lets face it, how many non muslim suicide bombers have you heard of?
Reply
-
-
0%
doggammit8 months ago
There's a good chance that Musharrif is writing the list - checking it twice... With Bhutto dead band the other contender he barred from taking part in Pakistani elections out of the running he's sitting pretty - as long as his backers don't abandon him...
Who are his backers? Who profits from his military dictatorship? Short of a bullet or a bomb, what kind of ballot will it take to change the dictatorial aspect of Musharrif's regime and restore an effective democratic option to Pakistan? Those are questions that deserve asking.
Reply
-
-
-
0%
djn3nunez38 months ago
...means that Christians are hypocrits if they acknowledge the threat of islamic terrorists?
No not at all. However when they try and link the actions of the Islamic Radicals to everyone of the Muslim faith it is like saying that every Christian back then was a racist. Or when the holy rollers take the "Holier than thou" additude, a simple look at the history of our nation shows that we are not all that different.
Reply
-
-
-
-
0%
HannibalBarca8 months ago
Maybe as our Negro population was small, but look at our treatment of the Japanese or Native peoples, and our railways were built on the backs of 1000's of Chinese, we only had a population of around 9 mill in the 30's.
No we are not squeaky clean
Reply
-
-
-
0%
ProudBlueTexan8 months ago
Ask 'em today. I spent time in Alabama and Mississippi in recent years. The mentality there damn sure hasn't 'evolved.'
Reply-
0%
Thinker228 months ago
> I spent time in Alabama and Mississippi in recent years. The mentality there damn sure hasn't 'evolved.'
Are you telling us that the Blacks there are still murdered on a daily basis by White Racists, that they're forced to go to segregated schools, use different buses, that they're not allowed to vote... and that we don't know it only because the Jew-owned media is covering it up?
Reply-
-
0%
dissent8 months ago
Good one person without a vowel. Tinkerbell distorts Proud Blue's words and you run with it. You must work for Fox.
Reply -
-
-
-
-
0%
MRCOFFEECAKE8 months ago
Yeah, but please be realistic.Black kids beat up on white people too..
These are not "world-wide" threatening numbers, by any stretch..
Slavery was a world wide threat, but what you mention and claim is not helping your case..
Reply -
0%
tanglang8 months ago
Abu, what about the young white couple who were tortured, raped, dismembered and murdered
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
