Overlooked: Philip Johnson's New Chapel »
Posted by: Dakota 9 months, 1 week agoA second look at a story about an architecturally significant new chapel going up at congregation for gays and lesbians.
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Locky129 months, 1 week ago
"The Bible is a guiding ministry, [but] unlike fundamental Christians, we don't believe it's the inherent word of God. It was written more than 2,000 years ago for a different people."
Behold: The Church of Out and Out Blasphemy.
You find your Church doctrine too difficult to follow?
Then come on down to the Philip Johnson Chapel. You can believe whatever you want. We already ripped the pages out of the Bible we don't feel like following.
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tkyrchncs9 months, 1 week ago
"Accepted into the United Church of Christ (UCC) last year, the Cathedral of Hope is the fourth-largest congregation in the denomination."
Phillip was the architect of the building, not the faith of the congregation, Locky. He was a great American architect, hugely influential on modern architecture, and a good friend. I am looking foreward to seeing this posthumous contruction when it's finished, regardless of your (or my) opinion of the faith.
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Redneck9 months, 1 week ago
Stole my quote!! :-) I agree. With that statement they place themselves outside of the Church of Jesus Christ. The Bible was written for the disciples of Jesus Christ for all time. Remove it or say it is not inherent Word of God and written for some other people then it is not for us today! By saying that they exclude themselves from orthodox Christianity.
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RedstateLib9 months, 1 week ago
That's what is great about living in the USA. Your are entitiled to your beliefs and I am entitled to mine and nobody get to make any laws saying either of is right or wrong. So you can trust in God to approve of your beliefs and I can trust in God to approve of mine, and we can leave the laws of the land out of it and be willing to accept Gods decision.
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RedstateLib9 months, 1 week ago
I have been to the Cathedral of Hope. I have never attended their services but they do a lot of work in the community and I have been asked by friends to lend a hand during some of their activities. Such as collecting and distributing for food low income people to have holiday dinners, collecting and distributing toys for children at Christmas and collecting donatations for hurricaine victims as well as helping them find housing and jobs. So aniokly I don't know what you think goes on their but I can tell you first hand what does. A large group of people of faith gather to worship God and to put the teachings of Jesus into practice in their community. Sorry if you have a problem with that but I trust God to judge these people. He sure doesn't need my help in deciding who is deserving of his mercy and somehow I doubt he has requested yours.
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Locky129 months, 1 week ago
They pick and choose his teachings. Believe what you want. Have a problem with a particular commandment? Don't follow it. It's your choice. Follow Jesus your own way.
It makes no sense.
Notwithstanding the good they do for the community, that's one thing. They can call themselves a "help center" or whatever but it is most certainly not a Church of Jesus. Unless of course they want to call themselves the Church of Hypocrisy.
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koranagirl9 months, 1 week ago
Yeshua said that the two greatest commandments (when asked by a law provider) said that they were 1) love the Divine Ones with all your heart soul and might; and 2) love others as you love yourself (assuming you love yourself greatly first);
so I think this chapel is in what Yeshua taught.
I am very happy for them (even though I am not a lover of modern architecture--I like the old churches of stone and stained glass, but that's just my style).
yeah! spread the word!
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RedstateLib9 months, 1 week ago
So let me get this right. You are so morally unshakable that you feel that it is okay that you can denounce thier faith as illigitemate. But no one has the right to question the tenats of your faith because that is an attack on Christians? So only your Faith is the right faith and anyone who does not agree with it hates Christians. Yet you can atack others who beleive in Jesus and that is not an attack on Christianity.
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tanglang9 months, 1 week ago
I'm not trying to be hateful or mean, I am really curious about this. With so many passages in the Bible speaking about killing homosexuals, how can homosexuals claim to be Christians? Or why would they want to for that matter? Even more important than that, what makes one think that he/she is enlightened enough to say that the Bible was written for a different time and that God does not mean for it to be taken seriously? Surely if God wanted parts of the Bible omitted, he would have a new one written. Again, I am not trying to insult anyone with my questions, I would just like to hear the answers of those who agree with this.
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HannibalBarca9 months, 1 week ago
I don't agree with you basiclly for the reason you base your statements on the idea that God wrote the bible, whereas I believe that while inspired by God it was written by man, and that is the NT.
The OT is Jewish, nothing to do with Christianity though Christians will claim otherwise as Jesus supposedly fulfills the prophecies.
As for homosexuals? It is a subject that I am not familiar with as I live in a rural area and gay bars or events are unheard of, but personally believe in each to their own
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Redneck9 months, 1 week ago
"The OT is Jewish, nothing to do with Christianity. . ." What a statement! The Twelve Apostles were Jews! Paul was an Israelite or a Jew. It is from the OT that he wrote and preached the Gospel of Jesus Christ. If the OT has not said it then whatever claims made for Jesus are false. That is what Paul wrote. Jesus is the fulfillment of the Promise or Covenant made with Abraham. Jesus Himself said, "Abraham saw My day and rejoiced." There are many present day Jews who are also Messianic Jews or Christians.
The reason homosexuals want to claim to have faith in Jesus Christ and yet deny the basic tenets of that faith has many facets. One is that they want do degrade or destroy anything which is pure or condemns their behavior. Paul addressed their behavior in the first chapter of Romans.
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tkyrchncs9 months, 1 week ago
No modern Christians follow all Biblical teachings, tanglang, whatever they may say. I suspect that no ancient Christians did either. There have been huge controversies among Christians about vital belief almost since the beginning-even Peter and Paul argued about what was required of Gentiles. Given this history, and the ample known alterations and additions in the modern Bible, it is unsurprising that there are so many dognmatic variants today. The fact is that Jesus said nothing whatsoever about homosexuality. If it were an important matter, don't you think He probably would have? What He did say is that there are only two commandments: love God and love your neighbor as yourself.
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Redneck9 months, 1 week ago
Well Peter and Paul DID NOT ARGUE about what is required of Gentiles. The council at Jerusalem settle that. Paul reproved Peter for hypocrisy in the face of Judizers from Jerusalem ONE TIME but they did not agrue about it. Peter changed his behavior and repented.
As for "ample KNOWN alterations and additions" you will have to prove that. We have so many quotes from the NT writers of chief leaders in the first and second centuries we could reconstruct the NT completely except for 13 verses merel from those quotes. It would match our present NT versions. There are over 5000 portions of the NT from the early days. No other historic document can boast that many fragments or quotes.
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Redneck9 months, 1 week ago
"The fact is that Jesus said nothing whatsoever about homosexuality. If it were an important matter, don't you think He probably would have? What He did say is that there are only two commandments: love God and love your neighbor as yourself." But the Apostles said the Gentiles had Moses read everywhere in every city. There are many things Jesus did not address but that does not render them either unimportant or changed from the OT commandments.
As for the commandments you quote. Homosexual behavior is called VILE in the Bible and an Abomination. Also it is sex outside of what is acceptable in the Bible. So to engage in sin with another person or encourage them to engage in an abominable sin is NOT LOVING ONE'S NEIGHBOR. To encourage someone to damn their soul to hell and help them is not LOVE. Homosexual behavior is also damaging to the mental and physical health of the participants. Vile defined means degrading, debasing, to lower. NOT LOVE.
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RedstateLib9 months, 1 week ago
What makes any of the multitude of versions of the Bible correct? The chosen books of the Bible were put together into 1 book 200 years after the death of Jesus. They were selected by a commitee of men claiming divine guidance. What makes you convinced that those men actually chose all the passages that God wanted included and left out the ones he wanted deleted? Because they said so? What if a couple of the men on that comittee just did not like homosexuals and decided anything negitave about should be included, but they owned slaves and believed that anything tolerating slavery should be included? In order to accept the Bible as the perfect unadaulterated word of God you must take the word of those who presented it to the world, men who according to the Bible itself are flawed beings. So like I said I will put my faith in God to decide who is deserving of his mercy. I have faith in him, I have no such faith in any human.
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PsychoHosebeast9 months, 1 week ago
"The chosen books of the Bible were put together into 1 book 200 years after the death of Jesus"
...not to mention, the thinking and intelligence level is that of 2000 years ago. So somehow the entire world is supposed to run on 21st century technology and understanding, but still be operating on a "before Christ" sense of morality and intolerance? Yeah, I'm absolutely certain that's God's plan... we can see how well that's working out in fundamentalist Muslims.
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RedstateLib9 months, 1 week ago
I will happily accept Gods judgement of my beliefs, however I will not accept another persons because they are as fallable as I am and likely to lead me down the wrong path.
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RedstateLib9 months, 1 week ago
We are all Gods Children. Everyone of us. Jesus was sent to us as Gods only perfect child. He was sent to show us what we were doing that falls short of the glory of God. He was sent to show us the truth, the light and the way. His message was that we should love God before everything else, including our pride, predjudice and our self rightousness. We should love our fellow man as much as we love ourselves, that includes Christians, Jews, Muslims. Buddist, Agnostics and Atheiest. He did not say you should only love those that believe in the father exactly as you do. Once again I'll trust God.
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PsychoHosebeast9 months, 1 week ago
Boy, I'm so glad that we have someone to determine what stories were overlooked.
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