Majority of Afghans want foreign troops to stay and fight »
Posted by: bobo-in-texas 10 months, 1 week agoA strong majority of Afghans approve of the presence of NATO-led troops in their country and want the foreign soldiers to remain to fight the Taliban and support reconstruction efforts. Afghans expressed optimism about the future, strong support for the government and appreciation for the work being done by NATO countries.
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mesodude10 months ago
"Gee, according to the MSM they all hate us and want us to leave. Who should we believe, "unbiased" reporters or the Afghan people?"
Don't be silly, BoBo...Just continue listening selectively (the way you neocons have been doing for years). "Listen to the generals on the ground" (when you agree with their message) but cast aspersions on them and their motives (accuse them of trying to make a quick buck, attribute their views to sour grapes, "liberal bias," etc, or pretend to be perplexed and outraged as to why they didn't speak up while they were still on the job receiving a paycheck) when you don't like what they have to say.
Also, continue taking your longstanding approach with the media. As everyone knows, any polls, studies, statistics, and journalism from the "liberal media" are to be rejected out of hand--unless the results cast war, Bush or the military in a favorable light.
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aniokly10 months, 1 week ago
You really cannot take the MSM serious. If you want to know how the mission is going you need to talk to our people who are returning, and want to go back to help those people have, some day, a life as free as ours. What we are doing is good, and you are right. The Democrats have staked their whole 08 political strategy on our losing in Iraq, and Afghanistan. When we ar winning they are losing.
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Commodore110 months, 1 week ago
Well who knows. If were lucky the MSM will blow themselves up if they hear news that benefits Bush and the U.S. I mean if they support our enemies why not act like them, right?
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gamahuche10 months, 1 week ago
What is your point about this being bad for Democrats BoBo?
As far as I'm aware most people think that the fight in Afghanistan HAS a legitimate purpose precisely because it IS targetting the Taliban, whereas the Iraq mess - the WAR there was supposed to have been over in May 2003 - is a boondoggle based on false assumptions, dubious premises and outright lies.
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bobo-in-texas10 months, 1 week ago
It's because the Democrat Party is heavily invested in the notion that, as you mentioned, both Afghanistan and Iraq are failures. If this turns out to not be the case, they will be in the quite awkward position of opposing a great American success. Most of the press seems to have the same problem.
I suspect that this poll will get little or no mention in the usual places NTY, LAT, Networks, MSNBC, NPR, etc. but I could be wrong. It just doesn't have enought truthiness for them.
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gamahuche10 months, 1 week ago
I did NOT mention that the Democratic Party is invested in anything.
Read again.
I asked you why you think its bad for the Democrats.
MY opinion which is shared by the majority of the Democratic Party and a majority of the citizens of Iraq and a majority of the citizens of the whole world is that the Iraq misadventure is a total catastrophe based on completely false premises.
AND, conversely that Afghanistan is a cause that can be justified, especially of the Afghani people support it.
Most democrats I expect will feel the same way about that.
And I'm sure that the poll will receive plenty of media attention.
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jimdoze10 months, 1 week ago
Success in Afghanistan is a problem for Dems. Part of their zeitgeist is that, as Gamahuche so aptly confirms, Iraq was an "unnecessary and fatal" diversion from Afghanistan.
I would contend that(IMHO), that the Iraq incursion while risky, was necessary and will still prove a net positive for the Middle East, for the U.S. and for the world at large. Secondary to the focal reasons for going in (not limited to those reasons stated publicly) is that Iraq opened a second front against Islamic extremism, diverting the jihadist's attention and resources from Afghanistan, thereby giving Afghanis some breathing room. Had it been the focal point of jihad's struggle with the west, Afghanistan would be far far messier than it is today.
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gamahuche10 months ago
Your argument goes around in such a circle that it makes me dizzy. It reads like a spy vs. spy bluff and counterbluff scenario that I'm sure is way beyond the intellectual grasp of the C-in-C.
What it actually sounds like is that you go into Iraq to avoid dealing with the problem in Afghanistan.
Wasn't there talk of capturing Osama and putting paid to Al Quaida once and for all?
But for you it appears it was better to say - oh forget that!
Lets just go and bash some other Arabs instead - you know the ones where the oil is.
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mesodude10 months ago
"I would contend that(IMHO), that the Iraq incursion while risky, was necessary and will still prove a net positive for the Middle East, for the U.S. and for the world at large."
--"Risky"? I absolutely LOVE the nonchalance with which people who have usually risked NOTHING WHATSOEVER, characterize our ILLEGAL INVASION and subsequent OCCUPATION of a country that never attacked us and didn't ask us to "save" them.
Now clueless neoclowns are presupposing what was "necessary" for several thousand dead Americans, several hundred thousand dead Iraqis, several MILLION Iraqi refugees (and the people from the surrounding regions which have been forced to absorb them), and the rest of the international community to endure because we cut and ran from Afghanistan and made a cold and calculated beeline for Iraqi oil?! Wow...You are, without a doubt, the epitome of the American arrogance which is largely to blame for what happened on 9/11.
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