Iraqi: U.S. Pullout Could Mean Civil War »
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Iraq's foreign minister warned Monday that a quick American troop withdrawal could lead to civil war and the collapse of the Iraqi state, adding that the U.S. has a responsibility to build Iraqi forces so that they take over.
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coreyspring1 year, 1 month ago
I hate to be the bearer of bad news to the foreign minister, but it's already a civil war in Iraq.
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NoWayMan1 year, 1 month ago
maybe this will convince the minivan drivers, and idiots like FSUgrad below:
"We are losing each day an average of 50 to 60 people throughout the country, if not more. If this is not civil war, then God knows what civil war is. Iraq is in the middle of a crisis. Maybe we have not reached the point of no return yet, but we are moving towards this point. We are in a terrible civil conflict now."
- Iyad Allawi, ex-PM of Iraq.
and btw, he said this in February of 2006.
so its been a civil war for some time now.
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FSU92grad1 year, 1 month ago
corey,
says who? You ? Well, then if YOU say so...then I guess it MUST be so...
Do us all a favor and turn off the CNN and the MSNBC...Think for once in your life...
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coreyspring1 year, 1 month ago
Who says it's not? You?
Either way, sorry, I'm not going to be drawn into one of your pointless shouting/insulting matches with other users.
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vor1 year, 1 month ago
Look at the evidence or keep the blinders on. Your choice.
Most of the violence you are seeing is sectarian violence. Shia on Sunni and vice versa. The Sunni began cooperating with us when they realized that the Shia would quickly win such a conflict. Now they essentially have US protection from Shia militias or IA troops operating against Sunnis. Al-Qaeda is like a third party in this dispute. They represent neither side, only the extremists.
Call it a Civil War, or Civil Disorder. But that is like saying the Korean War was not a war but a police action as we referred to it. People still died, bombs went off, guns were fired. That is the current state in Iraq. It is all a matter of semantics.
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dandt16121 year, 1 month ago
Iraq's foreign minister warned on Monday that a quick American military withdrawal from the country could lead to civil war and the collapse of the government, as pressure on the Bush administration for a pullout grows.
After the report on ABC news last night about the government of Iraq on what or what they are NOT doing it would appear the Iraqi government doesn't seem to care. Most of the time no one shows up and 74 members are boycotting. So I'm more sure than ever that we need to pull out because these people don't want to go through the process it will take to get the job done. It's A Big Mess!!
Bring our Troops home!!!!
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texangelwings1 year, 1 month ago
Well said!
How much are we paying the PM from Iraq?
I just came inside from mowing, taking a tea break and just about spit my tea onto my keyboard, reading the Iraqi PM's statement!
Evidently there is a difference in opinions as to what a Civil War is in Iraq!
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djrevelky1 year, 1 month ago
There is not a Civil War in Iraq. If there were massive riots, murders, and political upheaval in LA or New Orleans (and there have been) we would or did we say the entire United States was in a Civil War.
Iraq is perfectly fine outside of Anbar province and everything is under control except for Baghdad. One city does not a civil war make.
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mesodude1 year, 1 month ago
dj is right. Everyone knows that when there is a civil war, the violence always occurs neatly and uniformly across the country. We'll know it's a civil war when violence has broken out across the entire country and the number of deaths in each province are statistically comparable. ;-p
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MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 1 month ago
We'll send them cement and tar when they stop butchering eachother 50 years from now..
Right now we need it for new Orleans!
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SultanME1 year, 1 month ago
This isn't a civil war yet, this is a war between civilans within one state - which is different. If the US pulls out now, you can expect to see no more Iraq but 2-3 independant states instead, each state with its own armed forces/militia fighting each other.
I think this is what Bush calls 'libertation'.
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goodgrief1 year, 1 month ago
It's not a civil war. It's a religious war! Yes, it's being fought in a "country". But the country is a contrived border created by the English and French. Within that contrived border are political factions masquerading as religious sects. They have been killing each other for over 1400 years. The only thing that stopped it for several decades is dictatorship that made one side stronger than the other.
When, oh, when, will you people get a grip and look at the big pic?
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Jaydee401 year, 1 month ago
Only when the Iraqi people are free to decide their own fate, and not be played like pawns by empirical powers.
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scriblerus11 year, 1 month ago
Goodgrief: Is it not possible to have a religious civil war?
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Charlson1 year, 1 month ago
"It's not a civil war. It's a religious war! ... Within that contrived border are political factions masquerading as religious sects."
Aren't these two opposite statements?
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Leather-neck1 year, 1 month ago
maybe this will help:
from the American Heritage dictionary
civil war (n.)
1. A war between factions or regions of the same country.
2. A state of hostility or conflict between elements within an organization: "The broadcaster is in the midst of a civil war that has brought it to the brink of a complete management overhaul" (Bill Powell).
3. Civil War The war in the United States between the Union and the Confederacy from 1861 to 1865. Also called War Between the States.
4. Civil War The war in England between the Parliamentarians and the Royalists from 1642 to 1648.
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goodgrief1 year, 1 month ago
IF you really want to understand what's going on you have to think of it in terms of the people allowing this to be done to them and those participating in it - their motivator is religion.
Our overaly, the US Civil War, and the definition thoughtfully provided by Leather-neck get us in trouble when it comes to understanding the region.
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goodgrief1 year, 1 month ago
No - the fight takes place in the name of their so-called religion. The people who fight think of it that way. The "believers" don't seem to realize that centuries ago this struggle got rooted in a struggle for political power.
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914Bill1 year, 1 month ago
The big picture would be common sense-it seems there is not a lot of it floating around any more.
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Johny11 year, 1 month ago
What?TheU.S.troops entering the Iraq started the never-ending war,killings.Alerted the "suicide bombers" to do their thing than go to "heaven" and take some people,some wemen and children with them! It looks like,now,that those people had a bether chance with that crazy Sadam-dictating motherf...er. billions are spend on that war based on Americas greatest addiction,oil. Go,leave now!If you can not make things bether,don't make them worse(if it's even posibile-making things worse than they are now). Had anyone realy "answred the call",you know The Live Earth. people are homeless now,after last storm of waves in Alaska. They are asking for help,but there's not enought fonds,no money for new homes!?!? But for wars-ther's plentiful...! "answer that call" And what about the men that have no other job no other options.Men from U.S.A. from Europe that die every day for a fist full of dollars? it's a shame!!!
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WCFIELDS1 year, 1 month ago
Yes, too much Money at the top. Stuffed away in a sock in Switzerland by greedy fools. No doubt about it.
"TheU.S.troops entering the Iraq started the never-ending war..."
The little brown people with all the oil had been killing and maiming Americans with explosives for a couple of decades. Just a suggestion. How about some concerts all around the World to get them to stop slaughtering people? It irritates the powerful countries to have these little fellows planting bombs in pizza parlors, schools and vegetable markets.
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