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It did. Some people just believe someone who puts scary music on a poorly crafted mockumentary and embrace it as the truth.
You can continue to ignore the many questions that continue to surround the events of 9/11 if you choose to, but don't expect others to!
I do not ignore them, I point out their flaws, and how easily people like you allow yourself to be mislead.
Perhaps you should start questioning the people who tell you these things instead of blindly accepting it as the truth.
Like did you know that Steven Jone's entire department refused to back up his paper, and then he was put on leave by BYU?
Or that Alex Jones believes that Harry Potter is indoctrinating people for accepting witch craft?
OR that Dylan Avery applied 3 times to film school and was rejected?
These are the types of people who lead the twoof movement.
Fetzer, a theologian, a fat lazy slob of a man, argues that the victims should've rose up and fought back, cause he... a man who can barely muster the strength to actually move his own fat body would've done that.
Hardly credible.
How does Dylan's rejection from film school discredit him?? Loose Change is estimated to be viewed over 20 million times...clearly he's doing something right.
Way to make fun of Fetzer's weight...because everyone knows not to believe a fat person.
Maybe you should look at all the other hundreds of high level personnel who also question the official 9/11 story.
Dylan's rejection points to his need to succeed. It is a poorly crafted 'documentary' that most film critics who watched it pointed to as an example of how NOT to make a documentary. It also points to his failure as a film maker. What about Loose Change? A film so rife with inaccuracies that it has been changed now three times! And will be changed again.
As for Fetzer, he's the one claiming that he would 'fight back' So yes his weight.. his utterly inability to actually fight back... I'll mock him for that.
Maybe you should look into these fools you follow blindly.
A person's desire to succeed is a negative now?? People who have made other documentaies "professonally" don't usually have 20 million viewers! Maybe they can learn a thing or two from Dylan. And yes Loose Change had some inaccuracies that they are always trying to fix...I don't discredit them for correcting themselves at all.
These people I were speaking of are government officials...look for yourself. These are fools?
You know heres the funny thing about those officials and experts.
Anyone can add their name to these lists. For a lark I once went out there and added my name to one of them. So right now, according to that list out there, that no one bothered to check or vet. I'm a structural engineer.
I hope you have fun figuring out which one.
Spare me lists of people.
As for Dylan's many viewers. All it really points to is the ability of viral you tube videos.
Loose change was intentionally filled with inaccuracies according to Corey Rowe though. But hey the twoofers bought into it whole sale regardless.
torrent29, You said in one of your posts above: "I do not ignore them, I point out their flaws, and how easily people like you allow yourself to be mislead."
In fact, you haven't pointed out any flaws in theories or claims; you concentrate on flaws in people, and pretty irrelevant ones at that. All you do is ridicule people who have questions and portray them as blind followers. They may be wrong, but the only thing that will convince them of that are facts, not ridicule.
"I do not ignore them, I point out their Flaws".
"Steven Jone's entire department refused to back up his paper"
Schools rely on Government grants, subsidies, etc. No School is going to risk the governments cash gravy train. It's actually commendable that Steve Jones continues to speak out.
"a fat lazy slob of a man,"
So this is how you point out flaws? You call there authors fat, and this somehow automatically invalidates their research?
Try reading: (If you can do that!)
"The New Pearl Harbor", updated edition, by David Ray Griffin. An awesome summary in around 200 pages of the crime against America by factions with the U.S. Government we've come to know as 9/11.
You want my facts and figures: Simple, read the book above. It's the best summary explaining how 9/11 was an inside job ever written.
David Ray Griffin :
You would mean the other theologian right?
yeah... about that credibility again?
Its still missing.
Steven Jones lost his job because BYU would not support his wild and UNSUBSTANTIATED theories. His work... not peer reviewed. His ideas? Jesus visited America, not to worry... he has proof!
Fetzer didn't do any research of his own, all he tries to do is claim that what happened aboard the fights didn't happen. He openly mocks victims of 911. You stand behind a theologian like that?
Here is some 9/11 truth:
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u...
http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/911truth.html
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Looked at both. You are blind. Did WTC7 just fall on its own from fire. If that happened it would not come down in one fell swoop but in sections. Since there are video cameras about every 6 feet on the pentagon, why is it the government never released the frontal view. It is because they have something to hide!
What a bunch of hooey.
Point one -
WTC 7 fell from internal fires and damage to its outer structure. It did in fact fall in sections, the side with the damage began its collapse first. If you had actually looked instead of simply naming others blind you would actually know this.
As for the pentagon, please show me where it is said that the pentagon have cameras trained at the sky every 6 feet. Most of the security cameras are low frame rate, the speed the plane was travelling most likely would not have shown a single thing on the cameras other then a blur.
And please, mr "engineer" (note the quotes) explain to me how over 100 eye witnesses reported seeing a plane. And not one person. Not one of the witnesses, not a single one, reported a missile?
I eagerly await your response.
http://www.geocities.com/someguyyoudontknow33/w...
You are an embarassment to your 'claimed' profession.
Look at the videos. WTC7 fell all at once. You still did not answer why the frontal views in front of the pentagon were never released. The worst security I've ever seen is a view about every second. I'm sure the "plane" could have been seen for many, many seconds!
Except that the cameras, if they existed, and you have yet to provide any documentation for that I might add, WERE NOT POINTED AT THE AIR!
So no the plane would not be visible for 'many seconds'
And I see you conveniently ignored my question about eye witnesses. How utterly like a twoofer.
So explain the light poles while you're at it. You know the ones that eye witnesses saw the supposedly non existant plane hit?
Or how about the extensive damage to the entire side of the building?
Or better yet maybe you can explain why you believe that the entire building fell at once when videos actually disprove it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLHwvwJCmgk
Or better yet, let me point you to a twoofer website:
http://www.informationliberation.com/index.php?...
Look at that photo, look at the collapse, and SEE how it was not a simple straight down collapse.
And answer the question about the 100 eye witnesses.
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This link gives the biggest arguments for disbelieving the government 9/11 story
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Re: This link gives the biggest arguments for disbelieving the government 9/11 story.
I guess its good to keep sending out articles on 911 and showing them here at netscape.
It keeps ones mind sharp; it desensitizes you and makes sure that one will never forget what took place on that day.
Within the past year or so, all the good interesting articles posted here, that had to do with 911 and osama bin laden and the US govt.'s alleged coverup and involvement, were conveniently closed and/or banned from viewing for violating some kind of 'terms of use policy' and the numerous people that posted these articles on netscape, were quietly removed and/or banned from posting on here ever again.
From what we gather, we don't know whats so frightful and damaging about showing people over and over again, these true events that changed the world. Its even more alarming that people will believe one govt. report and discredit all the other rumors and/or facts on this, to date.
I have no problem saying I'm sure they were removed because a lot of the "911 truth" stuff (in the beginning) was (stress on was, as in past tense) submitted and voted on by one dude with 15 accounts, which is against the rules.
I have no problems reading these articles, though it might dismay of some of my fellow scouts and anchors. I actually find some of the theories definitely raise some cause for concern in my eyes.
And about 99% of them are false! Congratulations on posting utter trash.
Well you convinced me! If you say so....
Well good, maybe there is hope for you yet.
Oh wait, that was sarcasm!
How clever of you! My goodness that was really a smart way to do it.
See here? This is what Entropy did, he said one thing... like he was agreeing with me... but he actually meant another thing. That was really great. Thumbs up! Truly the height of wit. I salute you!
lol wow...you're special.
No, not really, just someone who can see through the loads of misinformation and half truths of the twoof movement.
Someone likes to toot their own horn!
No more so then the people who think they are onto something following a bunch of people who tell them what to think.
What I am trying to figure out is how did Bush talk 20 Muslims into killing themselves to aid his advancement. This must be one smart guy!!
*sigh*
Read operation Northwoods...it explains it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
And no, no one convinced 20 Muslims to do anything.
1962, that would be John Kennedy's term? And how does that prove anything?
it's what we call a false flag operation. All you need are a couple of foriegn bodies(dead alive it doesn't matter as long as they end up dead) An incedent(a bombing, assination, whatever) plant the bodies, with ID, and blame their government, Religion, whatever. Bingo, international incedent, then war!
By we... you are referring to other twoofers?
Since he simply defined false flag operation, I guess the "we" refers to everybody.
Here is another definition from Wikipedia: "False flag operations are covert operations conducted by governments, corporations, or other organizations, which are designed to appear as if they are being carried out by other entities." It says basically the same thing.
BTW, the only reason I opened this story was to see whether you were at your post. Sure enough, here you are. How much do you get paid for this? I could use some cash, and I could probably argue either side of the issue.
That is exactly what I meant. Thank you.
*sigh*
Operation Northwood, Kennedy Administration, *sigh*
*sigh*
1962
*deep sigh*
No deaths involved.
Oh *sigh*
*slap*
Now Stewie, play nice with the other posters
stupidity
THE DAY ITSELF - EVIDENCE OF COMPLICITY
1) AWOL Chain of Command
. It is well documented that the officials topping the chain of command for response to a domestic attack - George W. Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Myers, Montague Winfield - all found reason to do something else during the actual attacks, other than assuming their duties as decision-makers.
The chain of command is also the line of succession, Prez, VP, Speaker of the House (Today that would be Nancy P.)
. Who was actually in charge? Dick Cheney, Richard Clarke.
Dick Cheney is VP and was there. The Awol charge is false, according to the one making that claim.
Air Defense Failures
a. The US air defense system failed to follow standard procedures for responding to diverted passenger flights.
And what are the "standard procedures"? for "diverted passenger flights"
b. Timelines: The various responsible agencies - NORAD, FAA, Pentagon, USAF,
The "responsible agencies" was the FAA. All of the flights originated within the continental USA (Lower 48).
NORAD, Pentagon, USAF and US Navy are responsible for flights originated outside the continental USA (Lower 48).
High jacking these aircraft was a domestic law enforcement issue at the time they were high jacked. The US military is not allowed handle domestic law enforcement, It's a thing called the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878. This act prevents USA from using Federal troops for domestic law enforcement.
LOOK IT UP! Educate yourself!
as well as the 9/11 Commission - gave radically different explanations for the failure (in some cases upheld for years), such that several officials must have lied; but none were held accountable.
No they didn't. They tried many different ways to explain Posse Comitatus to a level any idiot could understand it, obviously they misjudged the intelligent level of ANY IDIOT.
c. Was there an air defense standdown?
No. Posse Comitatus look it up!
Pentagon Strike
How was it possible the Pentagon was hit 1 hour and 20 minutes after the attacks began? Why was there no response from Andrews Air Force Base, just 10 miles away
Answer: Posse Comitatus act. Goggle it!
and home to Air National Guard units charged with defending the skies above the nation''s capital? (FROM ATTRACTS ORIGINATING OUTSIDE THE USA)
Posse Comitatus act. Goggle it!
4) Wargames
a. US military and other authorities planned or actually rehearsed defensive response to all elements of the 9/11 scenario during the year prior to the attack - including multiple hijackings, suicide crashbombings, and a strike on the Pentagon. Source please? Details, where did these "hijackings" take place and what was high jacked?
Highly unlikely as the military and civilian law enforcement are not allowed to train together. Posse Comitatus act. Goggle it!
5) Flight 93
Did the Shanksville crash occur at 10:06 (according to a seismic report)
(and what seismic report is that?)
or 10:03 (according to the 9/11 Commission)?
Or could there have been a 3 min difference on people watches through out the east coast. Or do you have proof that every person on the east cost on 9/11 had synchronized their watches
Does the Commission wish to hide what happened in the last three minutes of the flight, and if so, why? Was Flight 93 shot down, as indicated by the scattering of debris over a trail of several miles?
"as indicated by the scattering of debris over a trail of several miles"
And how many intentional plane crashes of airlines have there been for comperison?
Intentional = all engines running at full power, level flight at 30k would be about .8 mach or Aprox 545 MPH, nose over pointed at the ground how fast will the plane be traveling on impact? At what angle did it hit?. But without speed at impact and angle at impact who knows?
"In fact, one thing that I have noticedâ;¦â;¦..is that all of these conspiracy theories depend on the perpetrators being endlessly clever. I think you'll find the facts also work if you assume everyone is endlessly stupid"
Author unknown , but couldn't agree more.