News – From the article: "Hamas militants have seized the headquarters of their rival Fatah's Preventive Security force, tightening their control over the Gaza Strip. Witnesses said Hamas had raised its flags over the compound in Gaza City, amid reports 14 Palestinians, mostly Fatah security workers, were killed. Gun battles continued elsewhere in Gaza with Hamas targeting Fatah's security and political command centres."
Fabienne: Please note that the BBC has changed the title of this article from "Gaza rivals 'agree on ceasefire' " to "Hamas captures Fatah security HQ" and the new description was updated above. The old description was as follows: "Rival Palestinian factions Hamas and Fatah say they have agreed to the terms of a new truce to end days of fighting in Gaza that has left 80 people dead."
2007-06-14 08:12:05
This is more of the same "tribe think" mentality that appears to be so prevelant in the middle east. I could only wish that the President & his advisors had seen that fact while they were planning the Iraq War. Possibly things there and here would be so much different.
I hope the truce holds, but I am not holding my breath on it.
These people has been fighting for thousands of years. Do you honestly think it will stop now? I say drop the 'bomb' and get it over with.
immorality causes war only a moral people can stop it
Forty years of oppression and almost sixty years of dispossession are too many years of pain for any human being. It is time for the Palestinians to be released from Israel's vice-like control. It is time to balance the scales of justice. It is time to stop killing the Palestinians.
Funny...especially when its Palestinians killing Palestinians.
Only someone utterly devoid of any human compassion whatsoever can love the carnage of the violent factional strife.
There are civilians caught in the middle of the in-fighting who cannot flee. Do you understand that?
Or are you that obtuse to suffering of the innocents that you don't care.
How about fighting back the way the Colonists and Lutherans did. One side is a war and hate-mongering tribe. The other side is a bunch of cowards. Both sides are without merit
goodgrief,
it sounds like you speak from experience. Would you like to go to Gaza and demonstrate to the civilians caught between the rival groups what it is that they should be doing?
Or do you consider passing judgement from the safety of your own home the most courageous demonstration of how civilians in Gaza should act?
The civilians caught in the middle are the same civilians who supported the terrorists all along. Dont forget, over 70% of the arabs in the Gaza Strip have supported anti Israeli terrorism and suicide bombing of innocent civilians. I can have no sympathy for the vast majority of the arabs there. I would not lose a minute of sleep if they all died as a result of their tribal warfare.
Your argument is the justification that Allies used to fire bomb women and children in Dresden, Soviets used for engaging in mass rapes in Berlin, and for beheadings of Americans in Iraq.
Though I wouldn't be surprised if you haven't lost a minute of sleep due to the atrocities either.
Following your logic, Iraqis have every right not to respect lives of those who supported invasion, occupation and complete destruction of their country, including death of 3/4 of a million Iraqis. And that would make them just as lacking a shred of humanity as you. Only they still have an excuse for it, which is that they've been living for 5 years under occupation and threat of daily violence. What's your excuse?
Same garbage. This has absolutely nothing to do with Israel. It is between Hamas and Fatah and if Israel disappeared tomorrow, the two of them would still be at each other's throats to see who would be in control of the "new" territory. Israel would love to release the "Palestinians from their vice like control". They have been trying to do it for 40 years now. Just after the 6 day war in 1967, Israel offered to return the West Bank and Gaza in return for peace. The arab response was the same 3 no's- no peace, no recognition, no Israel. Israel tried to deal with Arafat, offering him 95 percent of what he wanted. Arafat refused. Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza and received rockets and suicide bombers in return. The problem isn't Israel. Look at the entire Middle East. Zembel, you're living in denial, the problem is the same problem that has been going on for the last 1400 years, Moslems against Moslem and blame it on anyone who isn't Moslem.
It's time that Moslems started taking responsibility for their own actions. The arab-Israeli conflict has absolutely nothing to do with territory. Like the entire Middle East, it is religion based. 1n 1922, Britian took 2/3 of the Palestinian's land and created the Hashemite kindgom of Jordan. Of course the Hashemites are Moslem and are believed to be direct decendents of Mohammad, so Jordan isn't an issue sitting on all of that Palestinian land. Israel isn't Moslem and there is the real problem. There never was a country called Palestine. The last time that parcel of land was an autonomous country with it's own government was 2000 years ago when it was, you guessed it, Israel. Since that time, it was conquered territory. So get off your soap boxes, nobody has ever cared about the Palestinians except for political or propoganda purposes. Not one country, Jordan and Egypt included ever tried to raise the Palestinians out of their poverty. Don't expect Hamas to do it either.
Like any people, the Palestinians want to be free and independent and to live in peace: they have pursued all avenues towards that end. None of them have been successful, despite umpteen United Nations resolutions supporting their inalienable right to self-determination. America holds veto power in the Security Council and uses it always in favour of Israel. Also, the effects of the Israel Lobby's powerful influence have been felt not only in government circles, but also the media, business, NGOs, academia and even in trade unions and religious organizations at the highest levels. Therefore, as long as the world's only superpower - the United States of America - supports Israel, the international community is powerless to implement the UN resolutions. Only at the grassroots level is there a chance for people to come together and force the issue by demanding truth and justice for the Palestinians. But, time is running out.
With so much antagonism against the Palestinians for resisting the occupation, one has to ask if anyone of us would do things differently if we found ourselves so emasculated by circumstances beyond our control. When talks fail, when law fails, when people fail, when peace fails, resistance is the last resort permissible under the United Nations Charter's Article 51 in order for people and nations to free themselves from colonial oppression and occupation. And the world has continuously failed to protect the Palestinians as required by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. In effect, don't you think Edmar14, that the international community has driven the Palestinians to resist their occupiers and oppressors.Arafat could no more guarantee a complete cessation of violence than any leader whose people knew they had been short-changed and that they were just as completely under Israeli domination as ever before
More like time to start doing a better job killing them. I've been there. I've seen it. The palestinians have absolutely no case. The have what they choose
"I've been there, The palestinians have absolutely no case"
have you meet The actual owners of all of historic Palestine ?- the Palestinians - have watched their land being dispensed, taken, fragmented, violated and bartered over since 1947 with no regard for their ownership by stint of their birth, residence, contributions, achievements, and continuous ancestry going back to time immemorial. Not only were they - the majority population - driven from it, made refugees and refused their right to return home, those who remained in what was left, have now found themselves living under a brutal regime of occupation ,apartheid and proxy war among Palestinians plotted & supported by foreign governments.
droid3913
These people has been fighting for thousands of years. Do you honestly think it will stop now? I say drop the 'bomb' and get it over with.
These people have been fighting for thousands of years, you repeat this kind of phrases like mantra, can you prove that by providing details of their so called thousands of years of fighting. The Middle East has become a place of violence, for the last 60 years, after the creation of Israel and before that there were crusaders who occupying those lands and they lasted 100 years and now we need to see how long the so call chosen people last. Like everywhere else there might have been the problem of who controls the territory, it happened in Europe and many other countries, they two were fighting the occupiers for thousands of years. America today is a country which was built on the blood of 6 million Red Indians, you wipe them off and you are indulging in whipping off those who fail to fall in line with you and you blame the Muslims.
"The Middle East has become a place of violence, for the last 60 years, after the creation of Israel and before that there were crusaders who occupying those lands and they lasted 100 years and now we need to see how long the so call chosen people last." First of all, there was 800 years between the last Crusade and the creation of Israel, so the middle east was at peace for 800 years? After the Crusaders, came other Arab tribes and then the Ottoman Turks. Palestine has consistantly been conquered territory for the last 2000 years and not once in that period has it ever been an autonomous, self governing country. So goes your statement that the Middle East has become a place of violence for the last 60 years, since the creation of Israel. It has been conquered territory for the last 2000 years with a lot of death and destruction and none of it because of Israel which ceased to exist from 64AD until 1948. So lets get this straight, Israel is not the problem
According to the Associated Press, Hamas is dragging the Fatah fighters out from the buildings that they are overtaking and killing the Fatah execution style. According to locals, Hamas is dragging the Fatah fighters out one by one and shooting them in the back of the head. But of course this act of psychopathic barbarism is Israel's fault. Who else will get blamed? As for the Geneva convention, it doesn't exist in the Arab world. Treatment of enemies is either by barbaric beheading or execution style shooting. Sounds like the Religion of Peace is being renamed the Religion of Pieces.
I'm for that! Drop the bomb! Right on the illegal state that is israel! Blammo! Peace in the middle east!
Apparently you can't read. Or you're a moron. Or a zealot. Or all the above. You losers have been killing each other over your "religion of peaace" for over 1300 years. Literally more than an eon before Israel existed. What's your excuse for all the time up through 1948?
You all are sickening. Someone slights you with an editorial cartoon and what do you do? Riot and kill. EACH OTHER.
Freemacedonia,
Look at what happens every single time you morons attack Israel. How many days did it take before Isarel beat down Egypt Syria Iraq and Jordan? Three, and three more to chase them home. A great example of how dangerous and corupted the UN is. After Israel chased off Egypt from the lands Egypt used to attack them from in the 50's, Israel kept the land and the good ol UN forced them to give it back. Shortly after, Nasser once again used the land to stage another war with Israel. And just like before, Israel kicked their Fkng ass.
Also genius, apparently Israel has nothing to do with there not being peace in the middle east. Just look at this article.
Now we will have callls for two seperate Palestinian states. ANd even that would not be goood enough for them. THey have shown their true colors. The religion of Peace must rule and all others will be executed. Even their own people. Can you say Camer Rouge/ Pol Pot. And the UN wants to send troops. For what? sothey can be used as pawns or so some form of legitimacy can be bestowed on hamas instead of just being a terrorist organization. THat's really all they want. Legitimacy for their terrorist agenda. ANd the moderate muslims of the world are more than prepared to give them what ever they want as long as they continue to try to destroy Israel ( AND THEMSELVES HOPEFULLY)
badnootka
Now we will have callls for two seperate Palestinian states. ANd even that would not be goood enough for them. THey have shown their true colors. The religion of Peace must rule and all others will be executed.
Israel is an illegitimate child of the Europeans, Americans, Russians, and many other nationals, so why should religion peace should yield to Western dictates to concede the land of the Palestinians. Palestinians have every right to throw them out. Israel has no legitimacy, the country is created on lies, the European Jews never lived in the middle East before. Where did they live 3000 years ago? what proof do you have? Jews lived there, where are they now? they were Middle Eastern Jews. You should call the Israelis terrorist because they are in occupation for the last 60 years. If Hitler killed them they should demand part of Germany not part of Palestine. You should stop using wrong terminology to describe people. If you call Israelis are terrorist, that is OK.
What I understood it was a Jordan that was created for Palestinian and on date of Jordan's creation, Palestinian population was more than 70% living on Jordan's territory. King Hussein "kicked" they asses out from Jordan to Lebanon... If that is not really truth, then I have read a wrong history books.
Actually Daylight, the vast majority of what we now know as Palestinians are refugees from other Arab countries who (for various reasons) were either kicked out of or fled their respective home countries. Yassir Arafat himself was not a "Palestinian"; he was born in Egypt and fled to Kuwait after the Suez Crisis in which the Egyptian government forced him to leave. It was in Kuwait that he and others first formed Fatah.
And there have been Jews living in what is now Israel for thousands of years, even during the British colonial period. The European Jews who fled to Israel after WWII did so because they had nowhere else to go, and because the UN promised to divide the former British colony into two states (one Jewish, one Palestinian). Of course, we all no how that plan was received by Israels Arab neighbors (Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon).
"The religion of Peace must rule and all others will be executed. Even their own people."
This isn't a religious war, badnootka. Fatah is a secular organization. What we are witnessing here is a power struggle, that's it. Two rival Palestinian factions are jockeying for control of the government. One of them, Hamas, just happens to be fundamentalist group. But the underlying cause of the current fighting between Hamas and Fatah is not religious conflict but good ol' fashioned political power.
Don't you jut love those peace loving Muslims. hopefully they'll kill thousands of each other, that will leave fewer to attack Israel.
How very compassionate of you to applaud murder. Are you a Christian by any chance?
Or is your hate for Muslims one of the great Western values that you pride yourself on?
I don't think it's hatred. I think it's the simple fact that sane people see the world is better off without them. Not only can't they live among others of differing beliefs, they can't even live peacefully among themselves.
farmerman said that he hopes that Muslims kill thousands of each other and you don't think it's hatred? Ok, please explain what emotion he was expressing there. Was it love? Was it compassion?
And if that's not hatred of Muslims tell me how would you think someone felt about Christians if they said that they hope Christians kill thousands of each other?
I thought sane people consider peace a better choice then murder, but apparently they don't according to your sane view of the world.
As a sane person are you planning to go to Detroit area and engage in killing sprees in Muslim communities, which can't live among others of differing beliefs or live peacefully among themselves? No? Didn't you say that sane people consider the world to be better off without them?
Do you think it's wrong to put child murderers to death? I do not. These terror organizations are no more than murderers of the innocent. And deserve whatever happens to them.
What about the innocent that die during the violence? Do they desreve what happens to them? Or you couldn't care less for them?
I'm guessing that the death of terrorists is more important to you than the lives of civilians.
Do you also think that in Iraq the lives of 3/4 of a million Iraqis and 3500 Americans were worth the death of Saddam Hussein?
Short answer, yes.
Long answer, If you allow terrorism to breed in your land, you deserve to suffer the same fate as the terrorists. For you are either a coward, or at some point you condoned their behavior. Cowards die a cowardly death. Terrorists die on Earth, and suffer for eternity in hell.
Do you actually understand the implications of what you just said? Or have you lost any semblance of humanity?
Your argument is the justification of every atrocity that has taken place in human history.
I guess you think that Nazis were completely justified in engaging in Holocaust. After all weren't Jews, gypsies, and others who died in the ovens of Nazi concentration camps cowards, since they allowed Nazis to occupy them or rise to power?
If you were born and lived all your life in Iraq, you'd blame your mother if she was killed by American bombs while fighting terrorists, right? After all, she deserved it for she was a coward for allowing terrorists to breed in Iraq.
Do you also think that all Americans should be executed for allowing KKK to breed on the land? If not, then how come?
You cannot compare a terror cell to the nazis. In one instance, you have a small group of radical muslims, in another you have an entire nation with a well trained army.
If America had done nothing but sit back and allow the kkk to run free and kill at will, your argument might make some sense. However, since it is against the law to be part of the kkk, or to support them, it does not. Furthermore, we prosecute anyone who commit murder in America. Especially when done in the name of hate. Unlike these nations who support hateful murderous organizations such as hamas, fatah, al qeada, ruf, and so on.
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