News – BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- An explosion rocked the Iraqi parliament building inside Baghdad's heavily fortified Green Zone on Thursday, causing an unknown number of casualties, Iraqi state television reported. The blast hit the parliament's cafeteria while lawmakers were having lunch, Al-Iraqiya reported.
American invasion has brought so much pain, grief and death in this country. Iraq has no future, thank you US.
In Iraq, yes his Administration is responible. As soon as we became the occupation force the security of the occupied territory and the protection of it's citizens is the responibility of the occuping forces. The war started as soon a Bremer took over from Gen. Garner and reversed plans to keep the Iraqi military and police intact.
The perpetuation of violence in Iraq has much to do with the inability or lack of desire to disarm the sectarian militias...
150,000 troops is very obviously far below the number necessary to methodically disarm the various militias and armed groups causing mayhem. There would also be a need to seal the country's borders to prevent further import of weaponry and foreign fighters.
If someone could show me a gradual and verifiable trend towards the successful completion of either task, I'd be delighted to see it. Meantime, the death, waste and destruction will continue.
Where's the U.N. when you need a neutral peace keeping force?
Maybe the Arab countries can send in a multinational force to take over. At least they speak the language and are part of the culture.
My guess is neither would happen - ever. The UN is chicken and so are the surrounding Arab countries. Their only hope is that the Iraqi "infection" doesn't spread to them.
Come on splitrch, just because the U.N doesn't want to get sucked into Bush's mess doesn't make them chicken, it makes them smarter than Bush. In fact if Bush had givin the U.N (Hans Blix) the extra 30 days they requested to verify the absence of WMD's we wouldn't be in this perdicament.
We can't turn the clock back. Saying we made the bed and now we have to sleep in it is fine. You're right. However the UN can move forward and do everything in their power to try to stop all this.
Let me ask you a few questions. Do you think we should get out of Iraq? If we were to pack up and leave what do you suppose the result would be? The Iraqi Government is in no position to secure their country. It would only get worse. So, who fills the void? Iran? - probably (that would be far worse and unacceptable). Other Arabs - probably not.
That leaves the UN. Saying what was obviously wrong in the first, place so T.S., restricts ability to move forward. That attitude is an abdication of the worst sort. The UN exists for a reason. Let them do their job.
splitrch: "Where's the U.N. when you need a neutral peace keeping force?"
Peace keeping forces are used to keep the peace, not to fight civil wars. They are successful only when both sides want them there, not when both sides are shooting at them. The UN wanted no part of a military action to start with, so why should they step in now when it turned out to be a big mess?
"...so why should they step in now when it turned out to be a big mess?"
To stop the bloodshed, get the US out of there and show the Iraqi people that the world can stand up and do the right thing. The UN is chickenshit because they abdicate their responsibility. They can do something to begin the healing if they want to. We cannot.
splitrch: "The UN is chickenshit because they abdicate their responsibility."
Do you realize that the UN can send peace keepers into a country only if asked to do so. So far neither the Iraqi Government nor anybody else has asked the UN to send peace keepers into Iraq. I seriously doubt that the US is willing to hand Iraq over to the UN.
Besides, the UN has no army of its own. When a peace keeping mission is authorized, the UN has to go to its member nations basically cap in hand, asking for troops. Who would want to contribute troops in the current situation? The "coalition of the willing" is already there, so are you expecting the countries who were against this fiasco from the start to step up now, provide the US with a graceful exit, and end up holding this very ugly baby?
By releasing the police and the Army in one week Bremmer gave the various militias 800,000 recruits. With not enough troops on the ground the situation deteriorated into a tick for tack retailation across the country. It did indeed escalate when that Mosque was blown up. Hundreds of Iraqis were being killed each week. After the bombing that went up to hundreds per day so I can see your point.
Would this civil war have happened if we had not invaded and occupied Iraq?
Would those kids that were blown to bits by these sick f----ers be alive if we had not?
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This war is getting worse...
This surge sure is working out well.....
Seems to me SUCK that you and your ilk set this thing in motion. Then you whine when we point it out.
No, we do not get glee out of seeing your victims suffer. But we do quite properly point out the reasons.
WORST PRESIDENT EVER!
Libssuck lacks the ability to think beyond his sucklibs!
Suck has lost control of his ability to reason
Its always been about partisanship with him.
As the report goes Al-quaida may have been responsible for the initial bombing. it had bee reported earlier that AQ was in fact helping the Sunni as they (the Sunni) were of coarse outnumbered by the Shiite and needed the extra manpower.
however the reports of iran training insurgents would then be shiite as iran has a large Shiite pop with interests in seeing shiite control of the region.
Can you say civil war
Naw. We just need enough troops and handguns in the hands of the law-abiding to get the barbaric twits to behave in a civil manner. After all, civility is a byproduct of an oversized risk of armed retaliation. Remember that stuff about English guys in the Middle Ages walking on the street-side of their women as a matter of courtesy? It developed as a defensive technique against ride-by beheadings by guys with swords on horses who wanted a cheap thrill. Ever wonder why Victorian England had such an emphasis on manners? EVERYONE seemed to be armed with something, and any insult could lead to instant death! Turn Iraq into something like that, and make it clear that nobody's flavor of Islam is going to wind up owning the government (and anyone who thinks differently will get cut down before they get to see their side win), and things will turn around quite quickly.
Of course, this would require something along the lines of a draft, which appears to be unpopular. Major bummer.
Indefinately. I knew this was a bad idea a long time ago, many of us did. I could see this whole situation turning out like Cambodia while run by Pol Pot! This world cannot handle this much unrest, history repeats itself. If anyone has ever taken a history course they would tell you the same thing. This really cannot end well. Good Luck in the future gentlemen, because I think the schitt is gonna hit the fan, and when it does I think we will all look at one another with new eyes. Hopefully as Americans, or allies rather then bullies on netscape.
LOL, he got laughed off of yahoo posting pretty much the same right wing spin. I can tell he's followiong the same "success" agenda he had their. Much like his boy Georgie.
Not what i said, but ok.. Guess i should expect that from someone named "Libssuck" lol
Liberals know who take glee at Arabs dying.
The Iraq civil war is the responsibility of the occupation governement. By not providing security for the populace the Administration insured this difficult situation developed.
There were those back in 02 and 03 who said all hell would break loose, that this would not be a cakewalk, that we would not be greeted as liberators with flowers and kisses. Blaming peace protestors is pathetic. The great Bush, commander and chief of the greatest military of all time, has been humbled by a rag tag bunch of insurgents with homemade bombs.
Even though dems in congress are all worked up they'll still fund the troops. Bush will get his surge.
You better hope the surge works. Bush has no one to blame but himself.
Never fear, Rove will find someone else to blame. Morons like suckass will agree with anything Rove says
I blame anti-democratic forces in the Arab world.
Now is not the time to abandon the Iraqi people to these murderers.
You haven't been paying attention
The Iraqi people are the murderers.
The mention of Al-quaeda comes up and suddenly Bush's occupation is justified.
Well the investigation is ongoing as to who is responsible.
Funny but recently a group of ultra fundemental Shiites began blowing up mosques belonging to every day run of the mill shiites. You just can't keep score without a scorecard.
At least the kurds are out of this one.
You are right that we don't know yet who is behind this bombing, but it seems to have al Qaeda's fingerprints on it. To blow up a market is simple terrorism, but to blow up a bomb in the parliament is symbolic, just like the terrorist attacks in the US were. It it possible that the Sunnis did it to show that they don't recognize the legitimacy of this government, but it could be al Qaeda.
You are also right that the Kurds are out on this one, but Turkey is making noises about the Kurds, so the situation may soon get messier than it already is.
alQuada was not a factor in Iraq (except US-protected Kurdistan) before Bush deliberately destroyed the forces that kept them out.
There is no need for so much conflict in Iraq and contributing to the violence will not cure it. These problems are of their own making and we have contributed to them. Orderly exit now or disorderly exit later.
We may have broken it, but we are not the ones that can fix it.
This grim scenario looks increasingly true. The situation seems to be worsening, irrespective of US strategy in the country (always supposing there is a strategy).
If AQ (or associated groups) is now able to attack inside the Green Zone what hope does the Bush administration have of gaining any form of stability in Baghdad -- let alone the Sunni-Shi'ite regions of the country as a whole?
The sects in Iraq must be given an incentive to stop the violence (although, once you arm a bunch of thugs and hoodlums as your "army" or "militia", it's not likely you will retain control over them). The incentive is that the USA will get its troops out of the way.
What's the BS about needing to train Iraqis? They have been holding off the World's greatest military force for years. al-Maliki (and the common shias) prefer the protection of the Mahdi Army to that of our troops or the USA-Trained police.
What's the BS about the Iraqis needing our help in rebuilding their country? Now that Bechtel is out, maybe we can replace Parsons and Halliburton with Iraqi contractors, and get the job completed and at a fraction of the cost.
We should demand al-Maliki to negotiate a cease-fire and long term truce by offerring all parties the removal of US Troops. That way, Iraq get the Peace it needs for reconcilation and the USA gets what it needs: OUT!
They don't want a truce, they want to kill each other. They will do this if we leave. I could end this BS in a mnoth if I were in control. First I would kick out all of the leftwing press. Then I would change the rules of engagemnent. There will be no places off limits. Any shooting comes from anywhere, that place gets blasted. The entire place will be searched for weapons and anything that can be used as bombs will be destroyed. Curfew at night. etc....Stop all activity that can be construed as possibly aiding the terrorists in any manner.....
I'm all for taking up a collection to send you to Iraq. I'll even write a letter of introduction to help you get put in charge. Instead of stars on your collar, they can put a crown on your head and parade you through Sadr City while you scream out, "Kill them! Kill them all! Let God sort them out!!"
It'll all be over in no time.
KingOfTruth----Nah, KingOfHorsesh it.
DinkOfTruthers?
Yes, this could be done: 500,00 troops in Iraq and one year of martial law to disarm and stabilize the country. It might have been easier to do three years ago.
Your going to need a half million troops to do this, where on earth are you going to get them. Also, who is going to pay for it. Maybe if you just killed all Iraqis there would be a momentary peace. King of truth your are not.
Was that a serious post?
king actually comes up with some decent ideas for Iraq, martial law, securing the borders, searching for weapons.
These things should've been done back in 03, 04. I wonder why some guy on the internet can come up with sensible ideas for a war zone, when geniuses like Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz can't.
Also, you may want to throw out the right wing press as well. They're not doing anything useful, just taking up space, and you can always get that type of content on the sci-fi channel anyway.
Maybe he should go there and implemenet them.
Why are we so hell-bent on establishing a democracy in Iraq, when all our allies in the region are monarchies (Saudi, Jordan, UAE) or military dictatorships (Pakistan)?
I think the biggest thing to note is this was in the "Green Zone". Supposedly ultra-secure, with bomb-sniffing dogs, numerous checkpoints. How did they get the explosives in?
Inside help., or at least inside information? Who knows.
CNN has already reported it was an al Queda operative. They must have the Romulan cloaking devise too.
CNN probably helped the bomber and filmed the whole thing....
Right. :eye roll:
DocJ. There you are again. This is the sixth incarnation, as I recall.
these ****** Shiites only care about killing . they are uncivilized dogs. They have no regard for life.