News – Two students were arrested on felony charges that they tried to poison their science teacher by pouring a fabric freshener into her soda, authorities said Monday.
I don't know about you gents, but it seems to me that far too few students meet the Board of Education.I met the Board many times,(Nothing serious!!!)[I'm still finding splinters]
butt I've never been in trouble.
When kids find out there are NO consequences for thier actions; they lose respect for the system.(And you wind up with Le Shrub!!!)
And now ya see why I try to avoid serious subjects...
JK
I agree- discipline- at home and in the schools- is sorely lacking. What's with parents these days??
I'll give a good guess as to what is wrong with some parents today...they don't look at school as an education for their kids, they look at school as an 8 hour a day free childcare! I am not a teacher, but I did spend one school year as a substitute...and worked almost every day.
This particular kid I am referring to is a good kid, but his granddad had dropped him off at school, only for them to realize the boy had left his lunchbox at home. He told the boy to wait outside for him to bring it back. Well, once kids are dropped off at school, they become the sole responsibility of the school, and they aren't allowed to loiter around outside (this is elementary school btw). One of the teacher told him to go inside and wait in the hall outside his classroom. His granddad came back up to the school with the lunchbox, and totally went off on the kid. I heard him tell the boy that he was to do what he (the granddad) told him to do and not to do what the teachers told him to do. (cont.)
The boy did what was right though. He listened to the school official. What would have happened if the boy had waited outside and someone had come along and taken him, or someone driving too fast had hit him? You and I both know that the granddad would have raised heck that the school didn't do their job and keep his grandson safe.
That little boy happened to be in the classroom in which I was subbing that day, and he just cried and cried because of what his granddad did. I felt so sorry for him. I just went over and patted him on the back and told him to calm down, that everything would be alright. I may not have been in the right to do so, but I also told him that he did the right thing by listening to the school official.
I don't have any kids, so I don't know school rules, which I can guess, change from state to state. But I definately agree with the school officials in this instance, just because of the safety issues. And I think you did exactly right, kriicket. Good job!
Perhaps it is the educational system itself. Is this where kids are "learning" this stuff? I do have kids in school and am upset sometimes at what goes on in Public schools. Schools were different 25 years ago too. The attitude of "once kids are dropped off at school, they become the sole responsibility of the school," is sadly I believe a big part of the problem. No Discipline allowed by law! My 6 yo old ask me if I spanked her is it true the police will take me away? She heard that at school. Support School choice.
So pulling away students from one school and the funds that go with it is the answer? Why not get more involved with the school which your children attend? Join the PTA, support the teachers by meeting them for conferences, come to open house, and ask your children's principal about coming to visit your child for the day in school. If you want your children to have a choice, make sure the choice they are making is about their friends, not the school itself.
I encourage you to think about investing your time in your children's school activities. I am both a parent and a teacher. My children attend the district in which I live. I work in a different district. As a result, I pull double duty in terms of attending school functions.
very nice David! That's exactly what parents should do. Fortunately I live in a district that is very supportive in that department. I lived in Ohio for a short time and tried to get involved, the teachers didn't want me there, the school staff was less than welcoming. That was only a few years ago. So there are still some schools that "don't get it"
That is the point at which you do not stop trying. You schedule conferences anyway. That is your right as a parent. I used to live in Ohio, and I learned the laws there too. As a parent you have the right to investigate your child's educational path. Exercise your right. Moving your children only causes more trouble than it is worth.
That is when you move your kids to another school that does get it. And yes pulling funds for something that is not working and putting them where success is recognized is the most "common sense" thing I can think of. I am not suggesting it is the entire fault of the school and especially the teachers. Parents who are not active in their child's upbringing are at fault too. One big difference I see today is that personal responsibility is lacking and not taught in public schools or at home in some cases as much as it should be. It's the governments fault, it was because of this or that is often heard. TV programming does not help either. Today being a kid seems like dressing like a hooker or acting like a rap star "gang banger" thug is the "in" thing. This behavior is pushed on kids through TV. Yes parents should turn it off but as we know many don't.
I agree with many of your comments capecoral and appreciate the need to disconnect from the TV. Television is an acceptable medium, but parents need to be involved and watch what their kids watch. Sit with them and dialog during the shows to check their understanding. If you disagree with the choices they make, then let them know not only what you disagree about, but why. Too often children hear the lecture, but not the reasoning.
As for schools, shifting children from one school to another is your legal option, and I confess in some districts may be a parent's only option. However, it is for those tougher schools that I challenge parents to remain involved. If teachers and administration are uncooperative with parents, then try approaching the school board. If that is ineffective, then by all means, move schools.
It WAS the right thing to do. I've been teaching for about 13 years now, and they tell us not to touch the kids, but what you did was the correct human response and exactly what the little guy needed then. Your analysis of what could have happened was spot on, as well. Parents don't want the responsibility for their children so they expect the schools to do everything for them. I wish I had a better answer than just to encourage you to do what is right whenever you can.
Excellent point Pupi!!! That's the problem! The authorities are not making the parents responsible! Let them share the punishment along with they're kids, and you'll see a change for the better! They'll straighten up, and fly right!
I have long believe that when they have these kids doing community service (like picking up trash along the road)for some crime, they should have the parents out there picking it up with the kids. It would serve two good purposes. One the parents out there will insure their kids not do this again, and the parents that see this happenning will have a real "come to Jesus" meeting with their kids to inform them that they don't want to be out there picking up trash on a Saturday.
Well call me old fashion but back when I was living at home we got ours when we stepped out of line from our parents,we knew better but now its abuse and stories like this come out all the time.If they dont get punished then why not do it,they have nothing to fear.
exactly !! Been there, done that....more times than I care to admit. I was very much a rambunctious tomboy growing up and was constantly getting into trouble...you know the saying about how trouble finds you? Well, that was me, through and through. I remember writing something bad on the wall about someone at school. A couple of my classmates egged me on to do it, then they were the ones who turned me in. After that, I didn't bend down to peer pressure anymore. The punishment my parents had, was they had to endure the embarrassment of the ugly things I had written, because they had not taught me things like that. I had to write down on a piece of paper what I had written on the wall, take it home to my parents for them to sign and send back to school. Not only did I get a "whuppin'", but my dad took me to the house of the person I had written about and I had to apologize to that person and the parents for what I had written....talk about punishment to fit the crime...
oh, and one more thing....my parents gave me a good talking to also...after the "whuppin'" of course, lol.
lol-the talking too-OMG-Thats the worse,just give me the wuppin and let me go....
ust give me the wuppin and let me go....>>>>>
LMAO! I smacked my oldest son twice in his childhood, and my daughter once. When they grew up, they told me they'd have 'rathered' I hit them more, and talked less, LOL! They said my voice was traumatic! I still LOL at that!
lol jordan....I think my kids can relate to that when their dad punishes them.
My mom was brought up strict catholic and was given the choice of physical punishment or grounding from my grandparents .....she always chose physical punishment
lol jordan....I think my kids can relate to that when their dad punishes them.>>>
My kids didn't have a dad, they just had me and apparently a very traumatic 'mommy voice', LOL.
"She always chose physical punishment'>>>>
My favorite disciplinary act was when they broke my coffee table. I said nothing. Just walked in their rooms respectively, and broke their favorite thing. Then I made dinner, lol. Never had another broken item in my home.
Yep, I agree. The "talkin' to" was the Worst! The only exception was the "I'm disappointed in you" look in my Mom's eyes. That would make me melt into a pile of mushy guilt.
I was taught by nuns and Jesuits. I thought back then that the disclipline was much too severe, sometimes draconian: forcing the disobedient to kneel on marbles; beatings with rulers; terrible humiliation if one didn't come up with the correct answer...on and on. Really tough boys would pee their pants out of fear.
I was taught, however, to deal with pressure and even violence with grace and creativity. Didn't learn "respect," but I did become very strong and durable:) Never give up.
And I learned a great deal including self-discipline which in the end enabled me to be genuinely free.
This is the second story of this kind that I've heard in the last two weeks. There was another case involving girls putting strawberry lip gloss on thier teachers soda can knowing full well that she had a severe allergy to strawberries and could have died from it, however she wasn't harmed.
I too am a victim of a Catholic grade school education. I attended school in the 50's when corporal punishment was not only allowed but encouraged by our parents. Suffering physical pain and public humiliation at the hands of the nuns was par for the course. I wonder how these children would have reacted to those conditions.
Kids need to quit being taught that they have to understand Adam and Steve. Kids should be focused on discipline and character development. The rest of the problems will work themselves out with a strong dose of personal integrity.
Kids need to quit being taught that they have to understand Adam and Steve.
What does that comment have to do with discipline? True discipline comes from within. It is the desire to modify one's behavior for one's own betterment. Punishment comes as a result of lacking discipline. Good motivation is internal and relies on a person's desire to be a role model for others.
What does your pejorative and insulting comment have to do with either the points I made or the article?
Trying to teach kids sensitivity PC BS is destroying this nation. When character was stressed, the US led the way in education. Kids don't need to be taught feelings they need to be taught to be discipline. That's right taught discipline. Discipline just doesn't magically manifest itself. It is learned. And the current environment in the government school system is not reinforcing discipline. It reinforces the same slick fast food society values that have run rampant in this nation.
Really? You have a degree in sociology, psychiatry, education, psychology, or medicine? You are somehow educated on what works best for children or you have plenty of anecdotal evidence of how you were beaten with a stickat one time?
Discipline is indeed an intrinsic quality. Motivation and discipline work together and need to be developed. Character is still stressed in schools or has it been that long since you were in school that you have lost touch with that? In any case, keep on ranting, as it is your right, but do not expect me to listen.
Character is certainly stressed in school alright. Weak Character.
Don't worry kids if the tests are too tough for you, we'll just dumb those tricky questions down so everyone can pass, because we can't have any losers in school. Too bad that doesn't work in the real world.
I'm glad you're pleased with the system. It's been working quite well in the past decade, no?
I've been a victim of a student putting something in my drink that wasn't healthy (hand lotion in my tea) & that student wasn't punished; all she had to do was apologize. She stated that she didn't mean anything by it. Now she's a police officer.
Most parent's hands are tied when it comes to punishing their children. Some people will report you if you try because they feel you might be hurting the kid. They don't care if the kid deserved it or not. I was told by a social worker that if a parent hits on the buttocks, that was acceptable; otherwise not.
Most teacher's hands are tied because of the gov't & the administration at the school. "We don't want to hurt their feelings--it will make them feel bad about themselves." We do have to report any so called "abuse"; otherwise we get in trouble with the law.
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The teacher, 51-year-old Jacqueline Hutchins, was not hurt, the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Office said. She noticed an odd taste when she sipped her Pepsi on Friday.
Other students told deputies the boy and girl, both 15, huddled around the teacher's soda and talked about putting the Febreeze fabric freshener in her soda, authorities said.
The boy and girl, both 15, were charged with poisoning, a first-degree felony, authorities said. They were taken to a juvenile detention center, and their status was not available Monday.