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The Iraqi government raised the death toll on Saturday from a truck bomb in the town of Tal Afar to 152, making it the deadliest single bombing of the four-year-old war.

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OnlyTheTruth1 year, 6 months ago

Tell me again how this is such a good thing?
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!
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  ETproductions1 year, 6 months ago
  
  Yep. The surge is already working. Fewer and fewer Iraqis to stand between us and all that oil.
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    eddie1071 year, 6 months ago
    
    Im not picking on you ET, but I would like this to be somewhere it will be read.
    Every liberal on here is going to jump all over me, because I am the enemy. Not the person with the grenades and submachine guns in their living room, while their children starve, but the person who wants to stop them from killing.
    Al Qaeda is in Iraq, and always has been, there is no question about that. There have been many mistakes along the way for this quest for a better world, but I have only seen efforts being made to fulfill this idea by one party.
    I am firmly against the 2 party system, but I do want to live in a safer world.
    It is impossible for all Americans, ("Infidels" as we are slandered, the Muslim equivalent for "******") to leave all Muslim territories.
    If we try to pull out, everyone left behind is subject to murder. We cannot allow any religion to say that we are not allowed to set foot in half the world, because very soon afterwards, half won't be enough.
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      eddie1071 year, 6 months ago
      
      I am voting for this story because I feel it shows the desperate need for change. The bomb was not set by Americans as many feel that we are responsible. But it does show how desperate and horrendous our enemies have become.
      Many people still think that this war is all about oil, but if it were, why are we still paying almost triple the amount from when this war started?
      If you are wondering what the edited word is from the above statement I made, I did not say it to degrade anyone, but to let you know how it is used, the edited word is "En Eye Gee Gee Eee Are" But apparently the Muslim equivalent is quite acceptable, "Infidel" but the common black reference between themselves is not.
      Ya, that is real Politically Correct Netscape.
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        PapaWolf1 year, 6 months ago
        
        >>Many people still think that this war is all about oil, but if it were, why are we still paying almost triple the amount from when this war started?
        No. The INVASION was about oil. And WE are paying 3x while the oil co's rake in record profits.
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      PapaWolf1 year, 6 months ago
      
      >>Al Qaeda is in Iraq, and always has been, there is no question about that.
      Hate to tell you this, but EVERY investigation shows that there was NO link between Iraq & Al Quaeda. Well, except for the Bush family & the assassins OBL & Saddam sent to kill each other. And some of these investigations were led by the REPUBLICAN-led congress.
      >>It is impossible for all Americans, ("Infidels" as we are slandered, the Muslim equivalent for "******") to leave all Muslim territories.
      1st, if you don't realize the diff btwn Nigg** & Infidel, you're beyond hope. Infidel refers to ANYONE who does not believe in a specific faith & has been around for almost 600 years (look in a dictionary or dictionary.com). The other is SPECIFICALLY a derogatory word meant to deride mostly blacks.
      And I seriously doubt anyone is demanding that ALL Americans leave EVERY Muslim land, but the MILITARY OCCUPATION of that land.
      
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        eddie1071 year, 6 months ago
        
        OK jerk, you may be too stupid to be insulted when someone calls you an infidel, you obviously dont know what it means. You could be called a Christian, or an American, both reasons that can get you killed, but no... they call you an Infidel.
        Do you know why? it is because it is an insult, a derogatory word that is meant to place a person below the person using it. So it is not any different than a white person using the "N" word.
        "Infidel", From the word "Fidelity", unfaithful, a cheater, a person of low value, morally bankrupt, a traitor.
        Maybe this isnt insulting to you, but I dont feel I deserve to be judged and degraded.
        Apparently you are saying is that you would feel quite comfortable staying and doing business just as hundreds of people all over the world are forced to do in Muslim territories, even after the US pulled out.
        As much as I think you are being foolish, I wouldn't want you to try it, because even your life means something to me.
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        PapaWolf1 year, 6 months ago
        
        If you look it up in http://www.dictionary.com, you'll see
        1.Religion.
        a. a person who does not accept a particular faith, esp. Christianity.
        b.(in Christian use) an unbeliever, esp. a Muslim.
        c.(in Muslim use) a person who does not accept the Islamic faith; kaffir.
        2.a person who has no religious faith; unbeliever.
        3.(loosely) a person who disbelieves or doubts a particular theory, belief, creed, etc.; skeptic.
        -adjective
        4.not accepting a particular faith, esp. Christianity or Islam; heathen.
        5.without religious faith.
        6.due to or manifesting unbelief: infidel ideas.
        7.rejecting the Christian religion while accepting no other; not believing in the Bible or any Christian divine revelation.
        8.Also, inÂ·fiÂ·delÂ·ic /Ë;ÉªnfÉªË;dÉ;lÉªk/ of, pertaining to, or characteristic of unbelievers or infidels.
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        PapaWolf1 year, 6 months ago
        
        So, it basically means someone who doesn't believe the same as the person using the word.
        And I appreciate that my life means something to you, even tho you start out by calling me a jerk.
        And, yes, people from ALL over the world do business in Muslim lands. When we're not occupying their land, they're not overly angry w/us - unless we keep screaming that they're part of the "Axis of Evil" every day for 4 years.
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        eddie1071 year, 6 months ago
        
        The word Ni33er was listed in the dictionary as a non-derogatory name for longer than it has been listed as a derogatory name, but it is, and just because everyone is terrified of making them angry, I am not and I will not tolerate being called a cheater or traitor, which is so incredibly simple, Fidelity, NonFidelity, Faithful, Unfaithful, Muslim, Infidel.
        So that would explain the Nun having her head cut completely from her body.
        Trust me, ask any Muslim if the term infidel would be insulting to them. Just make sure there is bulletproof glass in between you when you call them that.
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        PapaWolf1 year, 6 months ago
        
        What I found says:
        "1786, earlier neger (1568, Scot. and northern England dialect), from Fr. nègre, from Sp. negro (see Negro). From the earliest usage it was "the term that carries with it all the obloquy and contempt and rejection which whites have inflicted on blacks" [cited in Gowers, 1965]. "
        It goes on to say that "black inferiority was at one time a near universal assumption in Eng.-speaking lands, the word in some cases could be used without insult." I guess that would be like using the word "Sp$ck" or "Ch$nk" as endearments.
        As to someone cutting the nun's head, ANYONE from ANY religion can pervert that religion. Kind of like when Christians burned heretics at the stake. Or the good Christian Klansmen lynching blacks & black sympathizers.
        Note that "Infidel" was used for non-Christians AS WELL AS non-Muslims.
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        eddie1071 year, 6 months ago
        
        Obviously from a NEW dictionary.
        Klansmen are still hunted and are still being convicted and punished for crimes committed 40 years ago.
        When is the last time you saw a Christian burn anyone? Is this still Medieval Times?
        That is right, Christians, Non-Christians, Non-Muslims are all equally despised. If it meant someone of no faith, it wouldn't apply to anyone of any other religion would it?
        Trust me, it is the greatest insult you can sling at a Muslim.
        What if the definition of a fa&&ot was listed as a stick of wood in the dictionary, it is BTW, would you be ok if someone called you that?
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    bobo-in-texas1 year, 6 months ago
    
    It another example of The Religion of Peace at work. They blow up Shiia because they aren't "real" Muslims.
    The good news is that we can be sure that the Peaceful Believers will never attack us. So if we just leave them alone, all will be fine.
    P.S. We may have to convert too but that's just a small detail and it won't be necessary until after the 08 election.
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    Matteu001 year, 6 months ago
    
    Lol...that's a good one. WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The chief strategist of George W. Bush's 2004 re-election campaign said he had lost faith in the U.S. president over Iraq and other issues, in a high-level rupture of Bush's famously loyal inner circle.
    Matthew Dowd, a polling expert who switched parties to become a Republican and also served as a senior strategist in Bush's 2000 presidential campaign, told The New York Times in an interview on Sunday that Bush must face up to Americans' growing disillusionment with the war.
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      eddie1071 year, 6 months ago
      
      I think that should read, "Bush must face up to America's short attention span with the war"
      Television has created a mass of little children who get bored or even sick of any subjuct no matter how tradgic or important very quickly.
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lfergie8121 year, 6 months ago

"Shi'ite Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki called for restraint on Friday, urging Iraqis not to allow themselves to be divided by "evildoers"."
This leader is weak and suspect. Is he really trying to stop the fighting because I haven't read anything where he has held the vigilante police group accountable.
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  ETproductions1 year, 6 months ago
  
  They had better figure out that al Qaeda is the real enemy and that Iraqi Sunnis and Shiia need to band together to get the fanatics out of their country if they even want to have a country.
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    eddie1071 year, 6 months ago
    
    Perfectly said.
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quackpot1 year, 6 months ago

Do not fear. The surge is working. This is only one event that needs to be taken into the context of the many thousands of events that did not occur. (Do I get a job as a speach writer?)
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  lfergie8121 year, 6 months ago
  
  Did the surge stop the attack? They need you help and support so join the army and give them a hand.
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  quackpot1 year, 6 months ago
  
  The presence of Al qaeda has only been significant as a RESULT of the Bush's fiasco. Prior to the invasion, there was no REAL evidence for an Al qaeda's presence on Saddam's turf.
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    gamahuche1 year, 6 months ago
    
    Can anyone here explain what the mission is now and how this brilliant new strategy will accomplish it? As explained so far it looks to this observer like a textbook way to fight fire with fire and exacerbate the Civil War.
    We are told in the article:
    "Before leaving Iraq last Monday at the end of his assignment, U.S. ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad said U.S. and Iraqi officials had held contacts with Sunni Arab insurgent groups to build an alliance against al Qaeda."
    It has became clear that during Saddam's rule there was in fact no Al Quaeda presence. Where is the factual evidence NOW that there is any Al Quaeda involvement? And if Al Quaeda is attacking Shiites why would the Sunnis be persuaded to attack Al Quaeda?? It seems more likely that lending support to the Sunnis will provide them with more resources with which to attack Shiites.
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      rickcb1 year, 6 months ago
      
      No, I can't explain what the mission is now, but then again neither can Dubya.
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      jordan111 year, 6 months ago
      
      Where is the factual evidence NOW that there is any Al Quaeda involvement?>>>>>
      That's the only excuse for staying there; "terrrists". If we don't stay, they'll come here! Be afraid, be very afraid! Now hush, don't be asking for 'evidence.'
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        contrast1 year, 6 months ago
        
        while I doubt Al Qaeda will be able to come in droves to american soil for a fight or attack I am concerned about the future of Iraq since we have invested LOTS of time money material and LIVES...and to be honest you should be concerned about that country too.
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        jordan111 year, 6 months ago
        
        I doubt Al Qaeda will be able to come in droves to american soil for a fight or attack I am concerned about the future of Iraq since we have invested LOTS of time money material and LIVES...and to be honest you should be concerned about that country too.>>>>>
        I wouldn't want to think you're assuming I'm NOT concerned about that country. My disgust and contempt for what Congress and Bush have done, doesn't blind me to the scenario we've created. The Saudi's can't have Shiites in control of the worlds second largest oil reserve, not to mention the religious hatred between them. They sure don't want an allegiance between Iran and Iraq. Middle Eastern Sunni's are nervous, and where once Shiites were pretty well contained, now they're a threat. Oil & religious domination...how do we fix that? We don't make this mess about US, and admit it's a ME problem that requires @ a minimum, a diplomatic approach. But will bush sit down with the different factions? Nope.
        
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        jordan111 year, 6 months ago
        
        OF COURSE we have a responsibility to Iraq. My contention is how we've assumed that responsibility. And trying to make me think that al qaeda is rounded up there and keeping me safe, isn't going to cut it with me. Telling me that Iran is the cause of all the insurgency, isn't going to cut it with me. Ignoring the Saudi role in the insurgency isn't going to cut it with me. Making this a black and white issue, isn't going to cut it with me.
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  wallyone1 year, 6 months ago
  
  and only fools would have condoned the invasion of iraq in the first place.. get your facts in order.. the US will never win this ridiculous war..
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    contrast1 year, 6 months ago
    
    so hillary and Kerry are fools then? consistency. go ahead and let the negs fly, they voted to go in and it's in black and white.
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      PapaWolf1 year, 6 months ago
      
      They didn't condone this invasion. They voted on a bill requiring W to exhaust ALL diplomatic avenues. It turned out his idea of diplomacy was to tell the world that he was invading no matter what they thought.
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  OnlyTheTruth1 year, 6 months ago
  
  Hey suck - do you still think the people of Iraq are better off under US rule than they were under Saddam?
  Saddam was bad, no question. He was bad when we were arming him. But what they have now is even worse.
  
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    wallyone1 year, 6 months ago
    
    you are frigging nuts.. so far about 700K people have lost their lives in iraq.. and saddam was on trial for killing what, 20K because they tried to kill him? not to mention the fact that the US put the kurds up to it in the first place then backed away from their promise to support them..
    Bush is a moron for going to war.. 9/11 was a made in america attack.. this whole thing is a nightmare in which 1/2 of america has bought into.. the other half have a brain..
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      contrast1 year, 6 months ago
      
      ((saddam was on trial for killing what, 20K because they tried to kill him?))
      so it's ok to kill thousands if someone attempts your life? I'll remember that if I get into a bar room knife fight- I will have license to murder 20K people plus.
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  jaesquared1 year, 6 months ago
  
  How long will it take?
  What conditions must be in place for us to pull out of Iraq?
  Only fools support pulling out? So what then, just keep flushing souls into an escalating war? Where is the progress?
  Show me
  jae.squared
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  Matteu001 year, 6 months ago
  
  That never stopped George from having a Long Star beer.
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  foksipayne1 year, 6 months ago
  
  the terrorists who ARE there; Many are supposed to be police or soldiers for Iraq. So what good is it doing whether ours are there or not?
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  POKEY1 year, 6 months ago
  
  KEEP THIS UP AND THEY WILL ELIMINATE THEMSELVES.
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old-squid1 year, 6 months ago

Somewhere in Iraq the birds of chirping, lovers are spooning, and the liberal press didn't share that with us!!!
WTFO
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  quackpot1 year, 6 months ago
  
  Lovers are spooning?......errr not on my watch..... no ....Here Here
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Gatsby1 year, 6 months ago

This story certainly convinces me that things are getting better.
Yeah, sure.
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Morginie1 year, 6 months ago

Wow thats disgusting, bloody religious civil war.
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  knight-templer1 year, 6 months ago
  
  Yes, I see what you mean, and for all the liberals out there who want to cut and run; wait until it happens in the USA it's only a matter of time! A second US civil war; Rep Vs Dem, Christian Vs Muslim.... Diversity of cultures and freedom, the very thing Americans praised and welcomed into their midst forging this country, just wait until it blows up in your face! Where's your separation of church and state then?
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    old-squid1 year, 6 months ago
    
    Knight Templer:
    You say "for all the liberals out there who want to cut and run"
    Hell, I didn't know you were "There and doing."
    The Cong didn't follow me back from VietNam, and I don't think the Hadji's are gonna swim the f**k over here!!!
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    OnlyTheTruth1 year, 6 months ago
    
    Ironic name you have - an old terrorist organization that butchered thousands.
    "strongly supporting the concept of killing in the name of Christ"
    Just as bad as killing in the name of Mohammed or Allah.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar
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      gamahuche1 year, 6 months ago
      
      Ah, but his excuse is that he's a Knight Templ-E-r, whatever the hell that is, other than a mistake.
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    jaesquared1 year, 6 months ago
    
    The 2nd civil war will not be dems vs reps or even christian vs muslim, it will be about the very rich versus the rest of us.
    And the revolution will be televised.
    And I say, let it happen in the US, at least then we will have a tangible enemy, a tangible goal.
    What are we fighting for? Why are we fighting?
    Consider, before you answer, wether your answer could be applied in a large number of other countries. Becuase if it can then the inevitable response will be, why isn't the war there?
    jae.squared
    
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    Matteu001 year, 6 months ago
    
    You are an IDIOT. Join and go over there PUHHHHHLEASE. We need to rid the country of stupid. You can't fix stupid.
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    PapaWolf1 year, 6 months ago
    
    >>Yes, I see what you mean, and for all the liberals out there who want to cut and run;
    You want us to stay in the middle of a civil war that has NOTHING to do w/us? We attacked and occupied a Muslim country for ABSOLUTELY NO REASON. And the longer we stay, the more angry the entire Muslim world will be.
    >>wait until it happens in the USA it's only a matter of time! A second US civil war; Rep Vs Dem, Christian Vs Muslim....
    Alright. This is just STOOOOOpid. You're saying that all Dems are Muslim & that the Muslims living peacefully in this country for DECADES will attack our gov't. If you'd take the time to look, you'll note that:
    1) Most of the Dems I know ARE Christian
    2) MOST of the Muslims in the US are African-Americans (42%), almost 2x the next group (S. Asians @ 24%). Arabs only make up 12% (see http://www.islam101.com/history/population2_usa...
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    foksipayne1 year, 6 months ago
    
    Yeah it is only a matter of time before a civil war starts here BECAUSE OF DUHBYA
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    contrast1 year, 6 months ago
    
    well first of all you spell templer wrong its templar. And if you are a templar this grand scheme of multi cultures and etc. were drawn up by your mason brothers the fore fathers of our country.
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  OnlyTheTruth1 year, 6 months ago
  
  Abrahamism is like that. Check out the Knights Templar history I linked:
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar
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  inaroundabout1 year, 6 months ago
  
  I assume that it's logistically impossible to stop too many of these from happening. To keep cars and trucks far enough away you'd force people to walk farther than they would like and you'd just invite individual suicide bombers. Then to stop the individual suicide bombers you have to search everyone and by that time you're telling people where they can and can't drive and searching them whenever they go somewhere in public. Sounds like citywide prisons to me, that's not gonna help stop any rebellion.
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      Daylight1 year, 6 months ago
      
      Hanyman
      Isreal should be the best source of advice in this matter since they have dealt with this issue for a long time.
      Israel will advise you if you ask them how to fight children and malnourished, poverty stricken population.
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  cynicalfairy1 year, 6 months ago
  
  They might try, but such ideas, as expressed by inaroundabout, can be considered dangerous. Bad PR. This war doesn't have enough of that, does it? My first thought when I read this headline, was outright disgust. Felt like throwing up. Waste of life! Horrible, horrible, tragedy...but then I thought, because I'm fairly comfortable from this distance to be able to do so, we need to do something. Something needs to change. This can't happen again. Pulling out - NOT AN OPTION. It's too soon to start saying, 'we must go on', for now, we should mourn. But it's good that we have people like you who are able to cut through all that 'emotional baggage' to the logics of the issue. God, that sounds heartless. I hope this government has the stones for it.
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  jaesquared1 year, 6 months ago
  
  You can't just stop people from living their lives.
  Would it be possible to set up cordons and road blocks in, say, New York City?
  Just imagine the resources that would be required, let alone the headaches created. It's logistically impossible to protect people from themselves. Our military presence there only serves to exacerbate a very touchy situation.
  I do not know enough about geo-politics, religious history, or muslim idealogy to even pretend to offer a solution. However, any schmuck with a basic understanding of these things can understand why our current plan is not working, and will not work.
  jae.squared
  -a simple man-
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ProudBlueTexan1 year, 6 months ago

NEVER, EVER FORGET WHAT george w bush HAS COST YOU & YOURS.
NEVER FORGET PRE-bush AMERICA.
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  schmirt1 year, 6 months ago
  
  I wont forget pre-Bush America. It was a time we enjoyed our prosperity by cashing in on the 'peace dividend' and purging our military of military personal--much that would be needed later. We partied until the stock market bust before we realized we have been swindled by corporations who doctored thier books. While Clinton was otherwise occupied in the oral office, there were bombings and attacks on hotels, embassies, and ships throughout the world from a Jihad ignored. As the UN remained feckless, allowing oil for food payoffs under Saddam hussein while thousands of his people died, Rwanda suffered a holocost of hundreds of thousands of people. We can even savor those last pre-Bush days when Clinton delayed the cooperation of transition with Bush because of disputed election results while some of Bin Ladens operatives had already arrived in preparation for 9/11!
  Ahhh. Ignorance was bliss!
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    PapaWolf1 year, 6 months ago
    
    I think you're confused.
    - The military draw-down started under HW Bush & contnued under Clinton & then the Rep-led Congress
    - "While Clinton was otherwise occupied in the oral office" he was prosecuting those who perpetrated the 1st WTC bombing & investigating the other bombings
    - While Congress was more concerned about his sex life, they did everything they could to stop him from persuing OBL
    - If, as you say, the 9/11 perps were already in the US, WHY did W completely ignore a brief clearly titled "Bin Ladin Determined to Strike in US"?
    - And, if you bring up Rwanda - which the world SHOULD have tried to stop - why don't you mention Darfur? We've known about it for almost W's entire term. Or the Israeli/Palestinian prob. He's the FIRST pres since Carter, if not before, to NOT try to help resolve.
    
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      bobo-in-texas1 year, 6 months ago
      
      Why are so many on the Left still ignoring "Bin Ladin Determined to Strike in US"?
      If we're currently involved in a civil war that has nothing to do with as and we must get out now, as so many on this thread advocate, then why should we even try to do anything about civil wars in Palestine or Darfur?
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        PapaWolf1 year, 6 months ago
        
        >>Why are so many on the Left still ignoring "Bin Ladin Determined to Strike in US"?
        WE are not the ones ignoring the memo. It was W BEFORE OBL struck on 9/11. That's the whole point.
        >>If we're currently involved in a civil war that has nothing to do with as and we must get out now, as so many on this thread advocate, then why should we even try to do anything about civil wars in Palestine or Darfur?
        We need to get OUT of Iraq because some of the reasons for the civil war are directly related to us. Some see us backing some groups to the detriment of others. And they see those cooperating w/us as enemies - kind of like the French collaborators of WWII. If we leave, that's 1 major reason removed from the equation.
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        bobo-in-texas1 year, 6 months ago
        
        Well if we need to get OUT of Iraq we certainly don't need to get INTO Darfur Palestine, etc. for the very same reasons that you have stated.
        I'm sure all of the AQ members killing in Iraq will lay down their arms immediately as soon as we are gone. And all of the collaborators are dead of course.
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        PapaWolf1 year, 6 months ago
        
        You're wrong. We need to GET INTO Darfur on a MULTI-NATIONAL level. The entire world needs to push for an end to the genocide and, that failing, send a MULTI-NATIONAL force into the area. The invasion of Iraq was a UNILATERAL, pre-emptive action with MOST of the world condemning us for it and only a few countries throwing in minor support troops. Even HW Bush got a multi-national coalition together to get Iraq out of Kuwait.
        As to Israel-Palestine, I did NOT say military intervention. W's the FIRST pres to not even attempt to get the 2 sides talking. THAT calls for a diplomatic solution, but we all know how this admin feels about diplomacy.
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        bobo-in-texas1 year, 6 months ago
        
        Mulit-national means France right?
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        PapaWolf1 year, 6 months ago
        
        Try France, Germany, Russia, China, Canada, and maybe at least ONE Arab country.
        The full list of the "Coalition of the Willing":
        Afghanistan, Albania, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Colombia, the Czech Republic, Denmark, El Salvador, Eritrea, Estonia, Ethiopia, Georgia, Hungary, Italy, Japan, South Korea, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, the Netherlands, Nicaragua, the Philippines, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Spain, Turkey, United Kingdom and Uzbekistan.
        (http://ne...">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2862343.stm...
        A real juggernaut of world powers, there.
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        schmirt1 year, 6 months ago
        
        China and Russia have blocked any real force to Dafur. They have interests with the Sudan government. (Sound like Iraq and France?)
        Currently, NATO and UN countries have not kept promise with Afghan operations--well short of PLEDGED money, troops, and support.
        The conflict in the Sudan is complicated by the fact that it is Islamic militia groups (complicit with Sudan government) that are driving victims from their lands with violence. Arab governments prefer to look the other way.
        American entry into Sudan will create a flood of Jihadists from afar. If Jihadists find success in Iraq, expect them to import ruthless tactics and IEDs to Darfur. (Who will join the US if they run from Iraq when things get tough?)
        I grew up believing noble international bodies such as the UN would meet such challenges. This is stuff of movies. Your simplistic multi-national scheme suffers from the same delusion. Lesson: expect few allies when attempting the hard, dirty work of doing right.
        
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  cynicalfairy1 year, 6 months ago
  
  I'm a white heterosexual middle class female. What has Bush cost me? Nothing.
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    ProudBlueTexan1 year, 6 months ago
    
    What about numerous liberties that were guaranteed by a couple of "g.d. pieces of paper," but now are not?
    You feel the way you do because you're not paying attention. Many people are, and they are outraged. I have to consider you an enemy of the USA, as I grew up understanding her. You represent the other side.
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      cynicalfairy1 year, 6 months ago
      
      You mean the abortion rights? Never been too pro-abortion myself. And when I said middle class, I lied. Actually a lot lower than that. You could blame the recession, you could blame that on Bush, or you could blame the fact that my father can't keep a job and rang up our credit card debt. My dad's neo-con and blames the economy for his inability to keep a job. But I've seen him at work, and he'd be the first person I would fire, given the chance, because he's an a--hole.
      So, again, what has Bush cost me? Nothing. I'm fair certain he has nothing to no impact on my daily life. I'm angered that we'll have to wait for a democrat to take power, or atleast more liberals in the Supreme Court to recall this anti-gay marriage bill that was passed by our voters not too long ago down here. But that has nothing to do with the article. The Iraq war. And it certainly doesn't take precedent over it.
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        PapaWolf1 year, 6 months ago
        
        I think ProudBlueTexan was talking about the Bill of Rights. You know, with W promoting torture, the removal of Habeus Corpus, hearsay & torture confessions allowed in court, WARRANTLESS wire taps, etc., etc., etc.
        It's all been listed many times in many threads here.
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        cynicalfairy1 year, 6 months ago
        
        Well, I'm also a law abiding citizen, and no one I know has been subject to any of those such practices. Now, there are problems within the legal system, and injustices, but those existed long before Bush or The Patriiot Act came into power. But then I live in Alabama. Do you have any idea how unfair the legal system is towards women seeking divorce here? (But, hey, atleast we're not Mississippi). As said, this federal government, very little power. This state has screwed it's citizens over more than the federal government, IMHO.
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        PapaWolf1 year, 6 months ago
        
        >>Well, I'm also a law abiding citizen, and no one I know has been subject to any of those such practices.
        That's good to hear, but haven't you been listening? In addition to the US Attorney firings over alleged political reasons, the FBI is under fire for its abuse of National Security Letters. There are also surveillences of peaceful anti-war groups, such as the Quakers. The QUAKERS. for God's sake. Can you get any more peaceful & law abiding than that?
        And just because you personally don't know anyone does not mean that it's right or it's not happening.
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        ProudBlueTexan1 year, 6 months ago
        
        I know, Alabama is just glad there's a Mississippi to separate it from 50th; I have lived in both those states.
        And it comes as no surprise that you were not taught that you had CERTAIN PROTECTIONS UNDER THE CONSTITUTION AND BILL OF RIGHTS THAT bush (that is to say, cheney) HAS NULLIFIED!!!!!!!!!!!!! THEY'RE GONE, PAL. WHEN THE DAY COMES THAT YOU POINT TO THE LAW TO PROTECT YOU FROM GOVERNMENT, YOU WILL NOTICE THAT THE LAW IS NOT ON YOUR SIDE.
        What part of that does the Deep South not understand?????
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        ProudBlueTexan1 year, 6 months ago
        
        I've never met anyone who was pro-abortion, just pro-choice like myself and most others.
        How's the weather in the WH basement today, troll?
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      joemont1 year, 6 months ago
      
      PBT
      Just Curious--Perhaps I was out of town on vacation when it happened, but, EXACTLY what liberties of yours and mine have been lost?
      Please enlighten me.
      Go Tiger!
      (:>)
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        ProudBlueTexan1 year, 6 months ago
        
        A few links for you to dismiss out of hand......
        http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/21/opini...
        http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20060402-112827-...
        http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2005/12/09/bush...
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        PapaWolf1 year, 6 months ago
        
        Aren't these just links to the "Liberal Press?" We all know what a bastion of liberalism the Washington Times is.
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    Matteu001 year, 6 months ago
    
    Just proves you can't fix stupid.
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    jordan111 year, 6 months ago
    
    I'm a white heterosexual middle class female. What has Bush cost me? Nothing.>>>>>
    Oh, well then, as long as we're clear that it's all about 'you.'
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NoWayMan1 year, 6 months ago

only an idiot with blinders on could still believe the surge is working.
again bush has made america look stupid. his rhetoric is the complete opposite of reality. talk about emboldening the enemy. every wrong step we take with bush at the helm does just that.
what a complete and utter failure bush is.
prayers to the victims and their families.
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  schmirt1 year, 6 months ago
  
  The surge is not even fully started yet. Any fool will know that the enemy will try to counter it.
  The vote in congress to withdraw the troops has embolded the enemy.
  Maybe Bush will not succeed. You have declared failure and offered nothing!
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    ProudBlueTexan1 year, 6 months ago
    
    How much $$$ you pulling down off this war, anyway?
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    Matteu001 year, 6 months ago
    
    Schmirt, it will start when you git there. When you ship out faketriot?
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  cynicalfairy1 year, 6 months ago
  
  I don't understand how some Bush-haters can take stories like "Deadliest bomb in Iraq war kills 152" and twist it around to = Bush has made America look stupid.
  Your prayers are made worthless by your hatred.
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    AmpLee1 year, 6 months ago
    
    It's really pretty simple:
    It's stupid to think you can stop people from killing each other if they want to, without killing them yourself-[as did the ruler we deposed and hung]
    It was stupid to place yourself in role of 'good guy' liberator by killing thousands of thousands of people, it's stupid to think people who have 'resist the invader' as a tennet of their religion will accept an occupying presence with smiles, it's stupid to upset the delictae balance of the ME by siding with the Shia and then shake our fists at Shia Iran, and on and on.
    So, since we re-elected Bush who has done all these stupid things, to the world, that makes us look stupid.
    PS I don't pray. I guess I should have before I voted in '04
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