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  WCFIELDS1 year, 5 months ago

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    contrast1 year, 5 months ago

    only if you dont care about Iraq

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        contrast1 year, 5 months ago

        ((I care more about America than Iraq.))

        totally agree! however, look around you. The two are tightly mired together. What happens with one reflects on the other for the moment and dont forget that. Perhaps you cant make a silk purse from a sow's ear but the sow's ear is not entriely worthless-also remember that.

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            saneman1 year, 5 months ago

            Some of the biggest US corporations are moving much of their operations to Vietnam. Go figure! I am going to Vietnam in the Spring to check out a bunch of manufacturers. I have been told by someone who finds manufacturers for his clients that Vietnam is the best place to go to find manufacturers. Just think, nearly 60,000 young US troops lost their lives in Vietnam. For what????

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                m-simon1 year, 5 months ago

                Yep. We misunderstood the Vietnamese all right.

                When the South asked for help to repel an invasion from the North the Democratic Congress said to them "screw you".

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                  jeffery11 year, 5 months ago

                  We were lied into Vietnam. When we should have mediated between all sides under French rule we didn't.

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                    UnusualSuspect1 year, 5 months ago

                    That's because we're always so eager to be the policeman of the world. We love to get our nose into everyone's business, but not to bring democracy or freedom; those are just by-products. If a country also gets those because of our intervention, then hey, good for them...it was their lucky day. No...we do it because we're out to make a buck. Doesn't matter the product, altho oil has been the biggy for the past 50-60 years, and I'm sure it will be for years to come, as the world's supply is dwindling. It's all about the money...the power... plain and simple.

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                  blinkers1 year, 5 months ago

                  You know as well as anyone that there was also an uprising in the south, or are you saying the RSVN government was popular among the people?

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                  fourthtunz1 year, 5 months ago

                  I think you have your history wrong? We had "advisors" in VietNam under the

                  kennedy administration. He was killed because he wanted to pull out of Vietnam and he was messing with our money which ******ed off the Federal reserve.

                  If you think that our wars have to do with anything other than being a money making machine for the owners of our country, well, would you be interested in buying some land that i have in new orleans?

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                    LindaLee1 year, 5 months ago

                    Remember Eisenhower? He was a Republican. Can u say 'dominoes theory' ??

                    Its all republican there buddy.

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                  LindaLee1 year, 5 months ago

                  I see you listen to the republican spin on that 'democratic congress' line. So its not the republican presidents fault that he turned down the South vietnamese? Its not the Foreign Policy led by the republican president at the time? I see its the republican spin you listen to and believe. Not me. I deal in reality and truth. The republicans are to blame for vietnam. case closed.

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                    LindaLee1 year, 5 months ago

                    President Eisenhower and his dominos theory. says it all. Republican all the way along. Making a buck by war.

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              mark-stevens1 year, 5 months ago

              Kennedy sent in Green Beret to start small fires to help prevent "The domino effect".

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                LindaLee1 year, 5 months ago

                EISENHOWER.................GO LOOK IT UP...

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                    blinkers1 year, 5 months ago

                    Good words, loverman. I think Ike was acting according to the times. Truman had given military assistance to VN to help the French regain their colony -- in retrospect, a foolish move. But Stalin's aggressive moves in Europe, plus the fall of China to Maoist communism had alerted America to a world-wide Soviet-inspired threat. The North Korean invasion across, in June 1950, heightened this perception and the first US military "advisors" arrived in VN 2 months later. Sept 1951 saw Truman signing an agreement with Saigon to provide direct military aid to the RSVN. It was a slow buid-up to catastrophe, thereafter.

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              GODIMMAD1 year, 5 months ago

              Let me get this straight. You didnt like our war with Vietam becuase you can see a connection now with the businesses that are moving there?? Okay, I might be able to see that part?!? But now you moving their that you have a problem with going there becuase you just care about the money not the lives lost there?? Thats where I get confused. Are you against what we did or for it becuase it might help only you out, or is it because of the people that was helped?? or is it just becuase you have to bow down to the employer/job that expects it? Either you have a moral, financal, govt, or an unexpected problem with it. Too much confusion with your unmade mind.

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                saneman1 year, 5 months ago

                What's the confusion? 60,000 troops died to prevent what is happening in Vietnam today, because N Vietnam won the war and took over S Vietnam. Correct? But, a lot of American companies are now moving their operations to Vietnam. Does that make sense to you? Exactly what did all those troops die for as a result? Do I have a problem going over there? No, because I am doing what's best for myself and for my clients.

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          FSU92grad1 year, 5 months ago

          Good point, Contrast...The two are indeed one in the same...We fail in Iraq, America fails. What loverboy doesn't get is we can either die over in Iraq or die here on American soil (9/11)...Loverboy and other libs seem to think when we pull out of Iraq, the war will be over and Al-Queda will somehow forget about destroying America and start playing Parchesi instead..>The real reason we haven't had another attack on American soil is we've kept them pre-occupied in Iraq..So preoccupied in fact, that they can't possibly plan something as large and deadly as another 9/11...There's nothing more dangerous than giving Al-Queda extra time to dream up the next killing spree...That will be exactly what they will do when every soldier comes back home..Loverboy and Saneman don't get it cause they're in denial and they think things will just magically disappear...

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            UnusualSuspect1 year, 5 months ago

            If anything, they're kept us pre-occcupied. Our armies are stretched so thin now that if another major conflict came along (one where we don't invade, for starters), we wouldn't be able to fight because there's not enough men/women, nor arms to do so. Even our National Guard is ill-prepared at the moment. Al-Queda will attack us either way; while we're at war with Iraq, Iran or Korea, or when we're all at home after this mess in Iraq sipping lemonade on our front porches. That's a given. If we had just gone after bin Laden instead of Hussein in the first place, and put as many troops and as much money towards finding him, we could have succeeded there. But no, we had to go after someone who didn't fly planes into the WTCs, and someone with no WMDs. Hindsight is always 20/20, but certainly that's a better vision than what got us into a mess we'll have for several years to come...

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              FSU92grad1 year, 5 months ago

              Sigh...You've gotta lay off the CNN for a while...Your points are verbatim off Wolf Blitzers commentary...

              a.) If Clinton had of got Bin Laden in the first place instead of getting BJ's in the oval office, perhaps 9/11 would have never happened. He had clear warning signs with the USS Cole and the 1993 Twin Tower bombings while he was in office. He didn't get him. End of story. So, please stop trying to pass the buck on Bush.

              b.)Iraq DID have WMD's, but none were found except for many canisters of Sarin gas which IS technically a WMD, but you libs contend it was old stuff and doesn't really count. Again in denial

              c.) Hiliary, Bill Clinton, Pelosi, Gore and even Kennedy all agreed that Hussein had WMD's and needed to be reomoved from power, so again, stop blaming Bush when your very own stupid Democratic party believed the same thing but were willing to do nothing. Some of them even voted to send our troops over to Iraq like Hiliary and Kerry.

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                FSU92grad1 year, 5 months ago

                d.) Iraq is central to the war on Terror, even Bin Laden and Al-Qaida know that...We lose there, we lose here in America and its an open door for them to come onto our soil and kick our a$$...I, for one, don't believe we should "wait" for this...This would be equivlent to a football game in which the center hikes the ball and the offensive line just stand up and let the defense come in and clobber the QB...Now, you can be a coward and turn-tail and run the other way, but our troops are there to finish the job. At least give them to the chance to do so..We had seen various (although rare) media clippings indicating that the increase in troop size is indeed working, but you won't read that in the newspapers...All you hear is how many of our soldiers are dieing, not how many of the insurgents we got...Now, please elaborate on how THAT is helping our troops and our ultimate goal of winning this war? *crickets* Until then, Shaddddddddup !

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                UnusualSuspect1 year, 5 months ago

                Gee...and I don't even watch CNN. I try to get a fair balance from both MSNBC and Fox News, believe it or not. It's just that some nights, after watching Fox, I start laughing...don't know why. I guess it comes off more as a comedy than an news cast...

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            samsara151 year, 5 months ago

            You don't get it. What we do in Iraq has nothing to do with America. They're not coming over here to get us. We are the ones interfering in their homelands, not vice versa. Leave them alone and they will eave us alone. We are viewed by them, as invaders, conquerors.

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              UnusualSuspect1 year, 5 months ago

              Totally agree.

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              FSU92grad1 year, 5 months ago

              Nope. You guys don't get it. 9/11 happened BEFORE we occupied Iraq or any country...So, please explain that Mr. Wizard? At least at my University they teach common sense, unlike your liberal brainwashing you got at one of those "hoity-toity" Ivy league schools...

              Speaking of parrots, you guys are the king of parrots with your "Bush lied, people died" chant, so again spare me with your leftie rhetoric..

              And Unusual, your quote is perhaps the dumbest quote I have ever heard since I have been in these forums:

              "Al-Queda will attack us either way; while we're at war with Iraq, Iran or Korea...."

              Are you kidding me? So, basically I shouldn't make up my bed because later on in the day I'm going to climb back in it and mess it up anyway...LOL...I for one do not want to sit around "drinking lemonade on our front porch" and watch nuclear mushroom clouds all around me because "they're going to attack us anyway"...You're a disgrace.

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                FSU92grad1 year, 5 months ago

                So, funny...All of you liberals out there are voting negative comments...

                I MUST be doing my job...

                Boy, they're like cockroaches, coming out of the woodwork...I guess I must of stirred up the hornest nest...

                I like it !

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                  saneman1 year, 5 months ago

                  We don't have cockroaches up north, but they are sure prevalent in the south.

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                    FSU92grad1 year, 5 months ago

                    Yes, but you have been ugly, friggin' rats up north..

                    Do you like cheese, saneman ?

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                      saneman1 year, 5 months ago

                      Not where I live. Rats don't have enough fur to survive.

                      Have you ever eaten cheese curds? Weren't your people the first to come up with cheese curds even though "curd" is written with a "C" and not a "K".

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                        FSU92grad1 year, 5 months ago

                        Nope, can't say that I have...

                        wait, you must have the word "curds" mixed up with the word "turd"...

                        Have you ever eaten one of them, saneman ? C'mon, now....don't lie.

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                          saneman1 year, 5 months ago

                          Oh no. Wait, Wait, I think I am having an epileptic seisure. Just trying to put myself in your shoes. "Turd" does rhyme nicely with "Kurd" though.

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                            FSU92grad1 year, 5 months ago

                            yes...sort of like a$$hole rhymes with a$$hole...

                            That kind of rhyme, eh, insaneman ?

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                              saneman1 year, 5 months ago

                              I think it's more like swallowing one's tongue. LOL! Wow! A graduate of FSU. The tribe must be very happy at such accomplishment.

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                saneman1 year, 5 months ago

                "(In the late nineties and early years of the new millennium, it was the ongoing presence of U.S. "infidel" troops on Saudi soil and so near the holiest sites in Islam that extremists like Osama bin Laden pointed to as justification for attacks on American attacks anywhere in the world.)" In Wisconsin, even though they spell it with a "C" rather than a "K", a cheese "curd" is fried cheese.

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              elzorro21621 year, 5 months ago

              I wonder also...this proves that one can get into a university, but it doesn't mean the university gets into you.

              Z

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                saneman1 year, 5 months ago

                Remember, its Florida Statue University. For sh$$ts and giggles, I took classes at the University of Texas while working full-time at Sabre Computer Services, and found the going to be a sleigh ride. I took an advanced Thermodynamics class, and didn't have to take the final exam. If anybody really wants to skate through college, attend schools south of the Mason Dixon Line.

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            spkguy1 year, 5 months ago

            FSU92grad

            ".The two are indeed one in the same...We fail in Iraq, America fails. What loverboy doesn't get is we can either die over in Iraq or die here on American soil (9/11)."

            What did Iraq have to do with 9/11?

            "The real reason we haven't had another attack on American soil is we've kept them pre-occupied in Iraq."

            This has to be one of the most miss leading statements I have ever read, your really are uninformed.

            "Loverboy and Saneman don't get it cause they're in denial and they think things will just magically disappear."

            Loverboy and Saneman do get and I would say that are much more informed than you are. Not only that for someone who says he is a FSU grad of 92 you should try and broaden your

            news sources. Your Fauxism's are entirely clear and you sound like a parrot.

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            Leemck021 year, 5 months ago

            Not if we demand competence from our agencies and the right to bear arms. The FBI kept the nation safe during wars and others. Okay, 9-11, but what was the exchange of lives lost from the invasion and budget expended? These institutions found the culprits from past terrorist acts without a war. The CIA doing its job with the Elite Forces (SAS, ect.) and building coalitions will yeild a greater safety net than wearing out our military, tearing down our National Guard and driving the deficit up to even greater levels. The resulting loss of services from debt leaves a gapping hole for terrorist to exploit. Demand competence from the heads directing government workers and we will get results. What was Browie's qualifications to handle FEMA? How is diplomacy going now? Who's handling the borders? If we handle business, then the 41 different terror groups will be challenged to impact this land. We can fight them very well from here; being there is not an absolute requirement.

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            spenceaa1 year, 5 months ago

            The attack on American soil that preceeded september 11th was 8 years prior, its only been 5 years since 9/11. We're not dealing with a very "resourceful" enemy. However, what is significant is Al Qaeda didn't attack a western nation until 2 years after 9/11. The year we invaded Iraq, and dropped the ball on the War on Terror in Afghanistan, that is significant. Iraq has nothing to do with fighting the War on Terror and everything to do with fooling stupid people into funneling their tax dollars into the hands of the incompetent defense contractor's coffers.

            Remember, rhetoric doesn't solve problems, it just makes you feel like an idiot when reality smacks you in the face. BTW, 3000 Americans lost forever is a horrific disappearing act, perhaps we should stop the slide of hand deceptions in Iraq and really fight this War on Terror.

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            cushi1 year, 5 months ago

            "What loverboy doesn't get is we can either die over in Iraq or die here on American soil (9/11)...Loverboy and other libs seem to think when we pull out of Iraq, the war will be over and Al-Queda will somehow forget about destroying America and start playing Parchesi instead..>"

            Even if I bought this gross oversimplification and repetitious propaganda parroting tripe, I would much rather fight and die on MY beloved turf than in some country foreign to me where the indigenous people don't give a rat's patooty about me and would just as soon leave me to rot on the streets or dump me into a mass grave with others of my kind! Furthermore, the war is coming to America no matter what we do. It is inevitable and predicted in the Bible. We are NOT immune to wars and all other maladies that plague mankind because of our selfishness and estrangement from God.

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              FSU92grad1 year, 5 months ago

              ...the war is coming to America no matter what we do...

              I wonder if our fore-fathers would have said the same thing when fighting for our independence against the Brits or what if we used that same mentality when Hitler was busy occupying countries and in the process of conquering the world and the US decided NOT to get involved. I wonder what would have happened?

              Well, I guess you wouldn't mind wearing a Buurka and carrying the Koran, but I do. And contrary to what you and your liberal pansies think, Islamic Fascists want to kill us. You don't seem to think it can happen, do you because we're the big, bad USA.Well, many people didn't think a group of terrorist could fly a couple of planes into the twin towers...Guess what ? Unless you were asleep, which clearly sounds like you are, it happened.

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                FSU92grad1 year, 5 months ago

                And read your Bible, God faught evil througout the Old Testament against people that worshipped other idols and were against His teachings...God didn't stand idly by and let evil win..

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                jeffery11 year, 5 months ago

                You right-wingers indicate just how clueless you really are every time you bring out Hitler as an example. For some reason you fail to see that had the U.S. pushed for more equitable reparations after WWI then Germany would never have granted any power to the Nazis or any nationalist group because they would have seen themselves as part of a greater Europe.

                Through proper application of diplomacy and justice Hitler never would have become what he became.

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            LindaLee1 year, 5 months ago

            Nonsense. We attacked Irag remember? What exactly would you do if Canada attacked us? Serve them lunch? Get real people, the occupation that we under manned is not in our best interests.

            Bush and his neocons have no idea how to run a war. As we have seen. So if you republicans can not do a war right then do not act all Big and Tough. The privatization of the war is a disgrace and anyone with common sense can see that. Exactly when did America turn into a WAR for Profit nation?

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            LindaLee1 year, 5 months ago

            Nonsense....................

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            jeffery11 year, 5 months ago

            Are you really that stupid or simply a right-wing ideologue that only maintains the appropriate talking points?

            First, you incorrectly correlate 9/11 with the Iraq invasion. Iraq had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks.

            Second, the only reason Iraq is a mess is because Bush invaded and removed Saddam from power rather than finishing the job in Afghanistan and improving diplomatic relations throughout the region with Iran, Pakistan, and Syria.

            Third, Bush has secretly funded Sunni jihadist groups aligned with al Qaeda in an attempt to counter what he and the Saudis see as the Iranian Shi'ite threat. This money ends up in the coffers of al Qaeda and in the hands of Sunni insurgents fighting in Iraq.

            The ONLY way to resolve Bush's mess in Iraq is politically and diplomatically with all nations in the region.

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        Twistoflex1 year, 5 months ago

        Despite the pathological secrecy of the Dumbya dictatorship, we know that the regime had been planning to attack Iraq from the day it was jurist appointed by the Reichwing political hacks on SCOTUS.

        Is it any wonder that Cheney fought tooth and nail to put the kabosh on any disclosure of the Energy Task Force he ran? The objectives of the Iraq war were laid out in early 2001: the control of Iraq's oil and gas resources.

        The plain fact is that the Dumbya dictatorship wasted no time in radically restructuring the national security complex of the US - placing the military and capabilities of the US at the disposal of elite transnational corporations: mainly Big Oil.

        Never mind the chatter you hear from Washington - they plan on a military presence in Iraq for more than a generation: the oil contracts are worth $ trillions to the oil companies.

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          alakazam1 year, 5 months ago

          I didn't read any hate...just accusation.

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          wtagg1 year, 5 months ago

          I agree that a point can be made without the embellishments. I assume you will point out when this occurs on either the left or right side of the fence, correct?

          Your services are needed below.

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          donald511 year, 5 months ago

          Halko, I just knew you'd make a point as you found someone who believes the opposite of yourself. And, you support Dubya with such rapid ferocity too in almost all your posts! At least the people who have lost loved ones in Iraq have the justification for their ferocity.

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          Twistoflex1 year, 5 months ago

          Would you have me conceal my contempt for this despotic regime that has proven itself so anathema to Constitutional principles?

          We have two corroborating testimonies from former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neil and National Coordinator for Security, Infrastructure Protection and Counterterrorism, Richard C. Clark - two men who were privy to National Security Council proceedings - that Dumbya planned the Iraq war from the earliest days.

          We also have the Downing Street memos which demonstrated that Dumbya tried to cook intelligence to "fix the facts".

          Then we have the whole Plame brouhaha, which has not received the proper coverage, because the non-official cover company that was blown - Brewster-Jennings - derailed nuclear non-proliferation intelligence in the whole Middle East and cost agents their jobs, in some cases their lives while others were tortured.

          We have some discovery from Judicial Watch which proves Cheney had his greedy eyes on Iraq's oil fields in March '01.

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            AmpLee1 year, 5 months ago

            ((Would you have me conceal my contempt for this despotic regime that has proven itself so anathema to Constitutional principles?))

            I understand the contempt and feel a lot of it myself. It's just best to state the facts and let them speak for themselves and tell the sorry tale of the Bush administration, because name-calling makes some think that the contempt is baseless, and it's just a personal dislike. Or they think it's just 'Bush-bashing', and they see the 'names' and skip the facts, because they think the facts are just prejudicial, 'slanted', or 'leftist'.

            So for me, I try to lay out what I know and keep my bad feelings out of my posts, and reason from there, and try to get others to reason with me, even tho I know there may be others better suited to the task.

            Although it's probably emotionally healthier with the names.

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              cushi1 year, 5 months ago

              I understand Twistoflex's anger and frustration! It reacheas a boiling point and then spills over into expression. There comes a point in time when the burden of one's heart becomes too much to bear, and if some of it isn't released somehow, it will literally kill you! There are many, many people in this country feeling a deep, penetrating, bubbling anger that is welling up inside them and threatening to spill over because of the many, many catastrophies America and America's finest, our soldiers, have suffered at the hands of the current administration. The constant coverups, abuses of power, arrogant denials and preposterous postering of the Bush WH is enough to bring out the beast in anyone who stands in opposition to it. Anger is a natural, normal, human emotion that must and will find expression in some form or fashion. Better that he vent here, rather than do something that could be far more disastrous!

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            AmpLee1 year, 5 months ago

            (( We have some discovery from Judicial Watch which proves Cheney had his greedy eyes on Iraq's oil fields in March '01))

            In my opinion, the low number of troops deployed to Afghan. in the initail assault was not a tactical error, or not listening to the generals, it was because troops were kept back for Iraq, which was in the works all along.

            Makes sense to me.

            anybody know the Aesop's fable about the dog growling at the other dog in the water with the bone?

            Afghanistan is the bone, Iraq, its reflection in the water, and his opening his mouth to growl is the unwarranted act of aggression that costs him his supper.

            He wants both and gets none.

            Narcissism is a common political trait, I hear

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          scriblerus11 year, 5 months ago

          David H:

          "No point of view can be considered even close to remotely valid when so filled with hate!"

          This sounds pretty good to one who believes the False Noise Channel is the light of truth.

          Unfortunately, it is a prime example of a non sequitur. One can hate and at the same time be absolutely correct and logical. By the same token, one can hate and be absolutely wrong. The fact of the matter is that hate and logic or validity as likely as not have nothing to do with each other.

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        MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 5 months ago

        There are incredible historic paralells.

        1)Rome was controlled by a lineage of Emperors.

        We have the Bushes

        2)Rome used force to teach "civilization".We use force to teach "democracy"

        3)Rome was fighting to defend their God.

        We are fighting to defend our world in the name of "God"

        4) The Romans had to snuff the Jews and Christians out of caves. WE still cannot find a 6'4" 57 year old Arab on dialysis hiding in a cave.

        5)While Caesar was busy spreading his army too thin to defend Rome, and the people suffered from moral decay, his empire crumbled..While we try to police the entire world, cities crumble (New Orleans), children are shooting up schools, gangs and street crime is rampant and we provide LESS revenue for police and schools..

        This was how Russia fell (no infrastructure and too much military) and this is how Iraq fell.

        Does ANYONE else see the glaring paralells??

        We,like Caesar, are fighting DADDY'S WAR..

        Not a war.. an "occupation"

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          scriblerus11 year, 5 months ago

          Coffeecake:

          ((We use force to teach "democracy"))

          I'm glad you used the quotation marks for irony. When Bush and his corporatist cronies use the word "democracy" they do not have the same concept in mind as ordinary people.

          They just mean that the powerful and wealthy would be able to do as they damned well please. In other words, "democracy" is a Darwinian jungle where might makes right.

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          TimeBuster1 year, 5 months ago

          Mr. Coffee-Dude

          1.) Your history is flawed- Romans had not ONE god, but many.

          2.)Cities crumble- NEW ORLEANS?!? ahem...you are reaching there with THAT comparison. In NO way is a natural disaster a similar event to what happened to Rome.

          3.) What makes you think Osama isnt captured and if he IS, why should the government tell us about it? We cant be trusted with the info anyway.

          People such as YOU are the weak link in our country...see how the roman senators did EXACTLY what Hillary and company are trying to do now....You like paralells so there you go there skippy coffeeboy.....and in THIS country, nobody is going to come across the plains to take us over....we all have guns!!!! Rome did not have armed citizens...

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        TimeBuster1 year, 5 months ago

        OMG....The real pathetic part of this is I think you actually BELIEVE your own nonsense! First of all...If you are such a freaking military genius, why arent you one of the advisors for the country? Or are you just a backseat driver? Obviously the latter...of course we can all be right by looking BACK at something. I hope when you make mistakes or such someone is there telling you how badly you performed and most importantly, calling you names such as we see here so very often. Bill Clinton had his share of flub-ups as well, but we dont hear that too much do we? It took MANY decades of work for this country to reform once free of British rule....NOT 5 yrs., so your assumption that all should be done and forgotten is basically....well, dumb!

        I have friends in Iraq (natives) who think we are the second coming.(Their sister was interned in one of the rape houses and was freed by our hero soldiers) You may see the war as one thing...but these folks rightly see it differently.

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    FSU92grad1 year, 5 months ago

    No...a non-event is posting Rosie O'Donnel quotes on this libscape...TWICE...

    Like anyone gives a crap what big, fat Rosie has to say?

    That, my friend, is a NON-EVENT...

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      UnusualSuspect1 year, 5 months ago

      One thing I've noticed about those on the right, more than those on the left, is the tendency to bring out personal facts, such as weight, looks, religious views, or any other non-essential part of a person, as if that's a major reason not to listen to someone. I always go with what and how a person THINKS, regardless of whether they're overweight or "fat", as FSU states.

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        TimeBuster1 year, 5 months ago

        Tell that to Howard Dean and all his derogatory comments.

        UnusualSuspect-"those on the right, more than those on the left, is the tendency to bring out personal facts"

        Yah? Tell that to Howard Dean and Mr. Kerry

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          UnusualSuspect1 year, 5 months ago

          Please show me an example of something derogatory Mr Dean said, and I'll re-consider my statement...

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      fourthtunz1 year, 5 months ago

      Fsugrad? Is this what they teach you?

      I hope that you never have a weight problem.

      Libscape? There is no difference in parties, at this point it is all theater.

      If Clinton were in office and they (the owners of this country) wanted a war we would have been there when he was in office, but the time wasn't right, they had to wait to plan our new pearl harbor, 911.

      You are right, but ALL of it is theater, they always do whatever they want because the people of this country care more about american idol and their suvs.

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      Calebe1 year, 5 months ago

      FSU, must be an acronym for "Full of Slime & Uncoolness", because, 4 sure, you live up to it every time you open yourself up here, azzhole!

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      NordicFisher1 year, 5 months ago

      No! A non-event is more like a statement dribbling out from a bird brain like you who would be a spokesman for a failed Whitehouse presided by a heaping manure head, a dastardly criminal, pleading for another brake.

      Give us a damn brake! He should be on trial for war crimes! That would be a relieving REAL EVENT!

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    miklkit1 year, 5 months ago

    Is that what you neocons are up to? This is all about starting another world war, with us as the axis of evil?

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    bgibbs071 year, 5 months ago

    If there is another World War, say goodbye to the human race, or at least most of it, with the rest probably dying in 40 years from radiation sickness. Ever read The Stand by Stephen King? Think that, but with nuclear destruction instead of a ravaging plague(oh, and most likely without the battle between good and evil).

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    MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 5 months ago

    Don't give Bush any credit for anything..He's a moron.

    The greatest military minds in the world (including Colin Powell) know that continuing to follow a stubborn, moronic,

    cowboy is bad policy. We ******ed offf our allies.

    The only support he can garner now are form those few who would still rather jeopardize innocent lives than to move forward and admit they made a mistake..They

    are a sad lot..Oh yeah..Julius Caesar would have been proud to see his son bring Ancient Rome to its knees just to fight Daddy's War, but George Herbert is not that barbaric..

    Even he knows his son is the runt of the litter.

    If you really want to see how sad of a coward he is, take a look at why Harriet Meiers resigned from her Supreme Court nomination..YOU WOULD BE ASTOUNDED!!!

    Sending youth off to die when he never had the courage to do the same.

    ps. If the hearings for her nomination ever occured it would have been discovered that she did daddy a favor and SHE got George his deferment while he was AWOL..

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    Candida1 year, 5 months ago

    ezoncol: "The military build up in the Middle East will position the US for the next world war that will most likely involve China and the axis versus the US and the allies."

    What makes you think that the US will still have any allies left at that point?

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    Blackacereturn1 year, 5 months ago

    I think at year 2 I ran out of patience with this guy. I am sure he is a nice guy and all bur he is not smart enough to be president, and the people he has around him doen't have the best interest of the country in mind. They are all abut lining their pockets!

    This war is 4 years too long

    I will not have patience when 7 more young men die

    I will show no patience for the zelots

    I am afraid to turn my TV on, I might see Walter picture.

    I live in fear of my phone, every time it rings I say oh god please don't let it be.

    My heart can't take much more of your war Mr. Bush

    I am running empty on Patience, tomorrow or tonight or in the next hour it might be my friends how much patience would you show if it was your loveone?

    Sorry no more time!

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  UnusualSuspect1 year, 5 months ago

  People have made fun of my patience most of my life...but I have to say my patience on this God-awful mess of a war ended a long time ago! Out by mid-08, I say. Shrub has had his chance...if the additional 21,000 troops and all the new money thrown at this mess doesn't show any results by autumn, get out...out, out, out!

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    TechnologyExpert1 year, 5 months ago

    I think they've already decided the 21K isn't enough since with the extra troops Petraeus has asked for, among others, it's about 30K now.

    It's good to see the demonstrations that are now really getting going, like last weekend. This war is a fiasco like Vietnam, but it's building a movement among the people (that's just starting) just like then.

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      slate1 year, 5 months ago

      Yeah, they want to send support troops so the fighters can eat and such. Oh the horror

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        MRCOFFEECAKE1 year, 5 months ago

        No. Do the math.

        Great Britain takes out 6,500 troops

        Japan takes out 1,500

        Italy removes 1,000

        Canada removes 2,000 and 5 other nations remove 3,500

        troops..This idiot is merely replacing the foreign troops whose leaders have realized that they are in the middle of a Religious Civil War

        Even down south they are smart enough to do the math..

        aren't they?

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          Candida1 year, 5 months ago

          MRCOFFEECAKE,

          Canada hasn't removed 2000 troops because it had never been part of the coalition of the willing, and had no troops in Iraq to start with.

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      donald511 year, 5 months ago

      The generals have said that only a political solution can solve the problems in Iraq. Dubya said today that the critical thing is securing Baghdad. Dubya is once more pushing a losing philosophy as he is not listening to his generals - where is the political effort? Condi told the new Congress that it would still take 6 months just to train up the state department folks she was to contribute to the surge. The President is failing again by leaving the ploitical solution to the soldiers too! Impeach the failure masquarading as a president!

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      Blackacereturn1 year, 5 months ago

      I know most of the key people at that demonstration, we have been at it even before the war...if we the common folks could have seen this war for what it is and our president couldnt, then we have made a hugh mistake electing this man.

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        SuperX1 year, 5 months ago

        I don't you see what people are trying help you understand, the issue is not the intelligence of DUMBYA, as Twistoflex had put it, but the control of a resource that is in the region. And it brings home a valid point.

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      COMNCNTS1 year, 5 months ago

      Its good to see the demostrations that are going on feeding the terrorist free press. Just leading to the fact they they were right and the American public has lost its resolve. Terrorist knew we wouldnt have the guts to finsish them off and it sadly looks like this is true.

      Well if we do lose our patience, maybe in 30 years or so we wont be able to have our demonstrations or be able to talk against our government freely like we do today because we are too afraid to stand up against this extremist movement now. We all can practice islam and be afraid to talk about our government in bad ways without getting our head cut off.

      Maybe thats just what some of us want though I guess.

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        KicBoxStallion1 year, 5 months ago

        psss, hey, guest what, most folks here, and most intelligent americans, are NOT as fearful an islam-phobic paranoid as you are reduced to being.

        don't come off like such a scared jerk and expect us to believe these wildly imaginary fears that you bought and gulped down.

        most of us will NOT, ever, fall for this fear mongering, cowardly whimpering crocodile crap!

        so 'stay the criminal course' if you want, but, no matter how much that lying gremlin "pleads..." most folks are not falling for it anymore!

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          COMNCNTS1 year, 5 months ago

          Im just going by the obvious which is letting it fester over the years just let it get worse. Since we have been fighting over there we have been doing a decent job. Has it been perfect, no, but better than in the past.

          If you do not think that they teach their young to hate us and our allies from birth all I can say is open your eyes.

          You think that this regime is full of lies, well no kidding, there has not been an administration that has lied to the public. You think he is doing such a bad job. Why not come out and say he is doing a decent job with N Korea. You say they ignored reports about BinLaden from Clinton. Well I ask why we didnt have troops over there and have it started while Clinton was in office?

          I dont think Bush is doing the greatest job. But he is cleaning up (or atleast trying to bring a close) what the two previous administrations decided to pass on to the next.

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    progressive-bum1 year, 5 months ago

    Mid '08??? There is no military solution in Iraq. Murtha made that clear in Nov. 05. All along we've been throwing lives and money at a non-issue; how much more patience does our psycho-in-chief need?

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    WCFIELDS1 year, 5 months ago

    "Out by mid-08"? Excellent. Exactly the Democratic talking point I just heard on CNN literally minutes ago. Is there a parrot in the room?

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