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Posted by: dirtyfratboy 1 year, 9 months agoThe Sudanese government together with the Janjaweed militia have launched new attacks in northern Darfur, the African Union (AU) has said.
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super-sunshine
Nov. 18, 2006, 4:30 p.m.This is no different from the christens spreading "freedom" in Iraq!!!
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Zeitgeist
Nov. 18, 2006, 12:37 p.m.What Islamo facists?....I see now islamo facists here?
This all the work of the CIA and MI5...
*snicker*
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LayApostle
Nov. 18, 2006, 1:21 p.m.When will the madness and slaughter end?? And until when we will remain indiferent when there are millions dying of violence and starvation? www.savedarfur.org
God Bless
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cherev
Nov. 18, 2006, 2:33 p.m."When will the madness and slaughter end??"
When someone gets up and forces us to admit the truth about Islam.
"And until when we will remain indiferent when there are millions dying of violence and starvation?"
Why not? It's worked so well in the past.
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wasntme
Nov. 18, 2006, 6:37 p.m.I think Darfur could have been avoided had it not been for the hypocricy of the very same Western governments who are denouncing it now. The very same western government who are denouncing Darfur are the same ones who have been militarliy , politically and financially supporting an ethnic cleansing far more serious, brutal and barbaric than Darfur. I am talking about Israelis slow ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. The rest of the world can not take the Western governments' condemnation of Darfur very seriously. For them Western governments' cries about Darfur is just a sick attempt to exploit a human crisis. Just like those poor jewish aparthide worshipping souls who try to exploite any human crisis in order to deflect attention from barbaric conduct of Israleis.
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Iwasthinking
Nov. 18, 2006, 2:24 p.m.It's funny politicians in this country and around the world like to act strong and compassionate, but when a situation arises that needs both we get feeble political pressure and indifference. After the holocaust it was never again. After Rwanda it was never again. Maybe if Sudan was sitting on a huge pool of oil, the international community would do something? And what about the US? Isn't it our willingness to support freedom around the world what makes us great and better than other nations? As nation we can continue to live off the glories of the past, or we can get off our asses and make a legacy for the future.
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Vim99
Nov. 18, 2006, 3:05 p.m.Cherev,
It is amazing how the war on terror rhetoric has come to substitute for serious analysis - anything that happens is reduced to Islam, even people who would otherwise have level-headed social analysis of conflict have reduced everything to Islama; how lazy of thought we have become - even if it makes us feel superior, religiously and otherwise, we should not forget that hinging all answers to complex social problems to fanaticism, religion, evil, etc., makes us more religious and fanatical than our object. Thinking is hard and we must do it nonetheless.
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wasntme
Nov. 18, 2006, 8:19 p.m.The war in Darfur is being exploited by the same Western countries who have been supporting a far more serious ethnic cleansing of Palestinians by Israelis for the past many decades.Those who on this and many other sites try to blame Islam, they can not be taken seriously since they are simply exploiting any human crisis in order to slander Islam. Many of them are not Christians either. They are die hard Jewish fanatics who wrap themselves in American flags and even pretend they are Christians. As for the invasion of Iraq, it was called in a document prepared for then Israeli prime minister Natanyahoo. This document was prepared by some right wing American Jews who in Bush administration "accidentally" happened to be embedded in key policy making places in Pentagon and other places. The same characters went from network to network and sold this invasion to Americans. They hoodwinked America into this war. The name of that document is "clean break" . Google it.
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thaw
Nov. 18, 2006, 3:16 p.m.if the US had stayed in afghanistan until that "situation" (which is a justified cause) was stabalized, instead of going off into iraq (which most of the world did not think was justified). then, maybe real peacekeepers like us canadians could have gone into darfur long ago to help there. like alot of the canadian public wanted. but now, we're sitting in southern afghanistan, getting our tails shot off because a few other countries won't let their troops go to southern afghanistan because it's "too dangerous".
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kaizersozey83
Nov. 18, 2006, 3:22 p.m.Once again you rhetoric spewing monsters.. Islam IS a peaceful religion, just because a small portion of them choose to be violent under the false pretense of their religion, don't smack a blanket label on all of them.
If I Juxtapose this on you, then you too are an abortion clinic bomber, a "homosexual killer", and a suppressed pedophile.
But I don't generalize, because I use logic to make my decisions, and I think before I open my mouth, or type on a keyboard.
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cherev
Nov. 18, 2006, 4:12 p.m."Islam IS a peaceful religion,"
Not according to the Korah. Read Suhas 5 and 9.
"just because a small portion of them choose to be violent under the false pretense of their religion, don't smack a blanket label on all of them."
It's a pretty big portion. The small portion are those who truly live in peace. The overwhelming majority are supporters of terrorism in one form or another. Either they support it financially through contributions to various "foundations", or logistically, or emotionally. But support it they do.
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wasntme
Nov. 18, 2006, 8:33 p.m.The worst among Muslims happen to be America's close allies. Why? These acts of terrorism that Al Qaed carries out in the name of Islam, can not be justified by anything in Quran. Unlike Torah which has a very clear instruction for ethnic cleansing Islam , as the fastest growing religion' preaches peace. Al Qaeda leaders and members belong to a very minute minority among Muslims , namely Wahhabis'. If you go by the teaching of Wahhabis, then it is fair to say that Wahhabis can not live in peace with the rest of the world. Wahhabism is not a religion of peace and can never be. Their s h i t list includes many muslims too. But Bush can not come out and say "wahhabi" terrorists because Wahhabi kingdome of Saudi Arabia is the closest US ally and a friend of Bush family. Wahhabi kingdome owns almost 6-7% of US economy. Any surprise that 15 out of 19 hijackers in 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia? SO, can you defeat an enemy that you are afraid to name?
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Vim99
Nov. 18, 2006, 3:34 p.m."When someone gets up and forces us to admit the truth about Islam."
Some people who practice Islam may, and we know in this case that they do, have something to do with the slaughter but the wonder is what has that got to do with "the truth about Islam." Those of us who have watched historical events shiver anytime someone seems to suggest having access to some fundamental "truth" about a religion - the practice of millions of individuals and cultural groups from across the inhabited world. It is scary precisely because every time in history that such "essentialist" claims have been made lots of people died and hatred spread.
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cherev
Nov. 18, 2006, 4:14 p.m."what has that got to do with "the truth about Islam.""
Everything. The slaughter is justifiable according to Islam.
"Those of us who have watched historical events shiver anytime someone seems to suggest having access to some fundamental "truth" about a religion - the practice of millions of individuals and cultural groups from across the inhabited world. It is scary precisely because every time in history that such "essentialist" claims have been made lots of people died and hatred spread."
The access is open to you. Just read the Koran.
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Vim99
Nov. 18, 2006, 3:36 p.m.We remember a not so complicated story of a Jewish young man who, at a time when his country was under foreign occupation, got a reformist inspiration that led him to break not only the tenets of his country's religious laws but also the law of the occupying Romans who, and only how, had power over his life. Someone somewhere down the line succeeded in convincing the rest of the world that the colonized Jewish authorities killed him and did so because they were Jews and he was destined to the founder of who the rest of us have come to see ourselves as. The image of the Jews has hardly improved in the Christian west when one looks at things closely. Centuries after the Inquisition and several sporadic persecutions of Jews across the civilized world, we had another "truth" about Judaism pronounced in Germany, reducing again a whole people to simple vermin.
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Vim99
Nov. 18, 2006, 3:37 p.m.......vermin. This was easy; someone had finally "forced us to admit the truth about" Judaism - except that the truth was more about our inability to explain our collective misery in its historical and sociological terms. No, sir, I do not want someone to tell me the "truth" about Islam in relation to the political situation in the Sudan - we need more historical explanations. You might surprised how far the web of complicity reaches.
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cherev
Nov. 18, 2006, 4:16 p.m."No, sir, I do not want someone to tell me the "truth" about Islam in relation to the political situation in the Sudan"
I don't need to tell you the truth. You can find it out for yourself by reading the Koran.
" - we need more historical explanations."
Such as?
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joemont
Nov. 18, 2006, 3:47 p.m.If anyone that posts here doubts the belief and intent of the "Radicals" that teach their children to kill ("Jihad") in the name of Islam PLEASE get the new DVD movie "OBCESSION".
That will clarify it for you very quickly.
They are intent on destroying everyone that does not agree with them. That includes Muslims that do not share the insanity.
They make the Nazi's look like honorable pepople.
It is truly ISLAMOFACISM!!!
They truly believe the only way this will be done is when the ENTIRE world converts or submits to the RADICAL version of Islam they follow.
Go Chiefs!!!
(:>)
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Vim99
Nov. 18, 2006, 4 p.m."They truly believe the only way this will be done is when the ENTIRE world converts or submits to the RADICAL version of Islam they follow."
If you specify the "RADICAL version of Islam that they follow," you are leaving out of the madness a lot of muslims - and I can take that. What I cannot take is anyone belittling the holocaust to the point of comparing it to a bunch of fanatics who stand no chance of every achieving half of what they have been saying for a very long time. Perhaps they are worse than the Nazis because they are Arabs. Nothin in our lifetime has made a dent to the atrocity committed to Jews under German Nazism. No amount of historical revisionism will turn that into a muslim onslaught.
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cherev
Nov. 18, 2006, 4:20 p.m.I didn't compare the Muslims to the Nazis, although Muslim Arabs were allies of the Nazis and urged Hitler to conquor "Palestine" so that he could exterminate the Jews there. Of course, this was long before there was a State of Israel, which the Muslim Arabs now claim is the source of all troubles.
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cherev
Nov. 18, 2006, 4:30 p.m.Isn't the civilized world SUPPOSED to rely on the UN? What good is that organization if not to intervene in cases like this?
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cherev
Nov. 18, 2006, 4:49 p.m.Sorry, it's not. If the UN were to fulfill the purpose of it's mission, they wouldn't be a poodle in the first place. Nor are the Arab/Muslim warlords slaughtering the people of Darfur a bunch of rotweilers. Basically, they're cowards....as are all of their type. Attacking a helpless people and slaughtering them at will. Wouldn't take much beyond determination to put them where they belong.
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Vim99
Nov. 18, 2006, 4:32 p.m.Cherev,
No, you did not compare Muslims to the Nazis. I was responding to joemont who said "They make the Nazi's look like honorable pepople." You are also right that some muslim Arabs wished that Hitler would proceed to Palestine and it is true that some Arab sentiment towrds the Jews in general predate Israel; otherwise where would they have been hiding during centuries of Jewish hatred by most nationalities. My point here, however, would be that Arabs in that historical case involving Hitler sympathies cannot be worse Nazis than say the Japanese who actually made good on their alliance with Germany. That again is not a response to anyting you said.
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Vim99
Nov. 18, 2006, 4:36 p.m."Isn't the civilized world SUPPOSED to rely on the UN? What good is that organization if not to intervene in cases like this?"
I agree with this entirely, and i would wish that the civilized world does not, when it is convenient for it, sometimes go it alone (Iraq) and then turn back to pressure the world body to act when it(civilized US) does no longer have a stake it considers important on the matter.
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cherev
Nov. 18, 2006, 4:42 p.m."i would wish that the civilized world does not, when it is convenient for it, sometimes go it alone (Iraq) "
The civilized world didn't go it alone. The US and England (with a few others) went in it together. The civilized world SHOULD HAVE taken care of Saddam. They didn't. Was it wise to go into Iraq? Probably not. But I haven't met an American yet who wants Saddam back.
"and then turn back to pressure the world body to act when it(civilized US) does no longer have a stake it considers important on the matter"
Sounds like you're saying the US is a bunch of hypocrites. If that's right, I suspect you could spread the blame around a bit more.
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thaw
Nov. 18, 2006, 4:37 p.m.so, can anybody tell me why the un has not stepped in sometime over the past 3-4 years?
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cyclaptor
Nov. 18, 2006, 8:18 p.m.Africa has nothing to offer the world but problems. So, why bother?
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joemont
Nov. 18, 2006, 4:47 p.m.Vim99
Good Point!!!
But the point of the film "OBCESSION" is that if these Islamofacist had the weapons of War that the Nazi's did they would make every effort to destroy EVERYONE that did not submit to them.
AND, they are attempting to do that today without those weapons.
The film makes no effort to dimish the horror of the Holocaust, just, point out to the World what these Islamofacist are trying to do under the banner of Islam.
In my opinion comparisons between the Nazi's and these Islamofacist is really an exercise in word parsing. It is not important to concern ourselves about the similarities or even differences between the two extremes. They are both horrible!! What seems to me, and its discussed in the film, is that its important and we need to wake up to what they are and what they are trying to do.
Go Chiefs!!!
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joemont
Nov. 18, 2006, 5 p.m.gordonboy
LOL...The way they have been playing alot this season they are just about as effective...or ineffective..LOL
Go Chiefs!!!
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thaw
Nov. 18, 2006, 5:22 p.m.back to the story boys.
people are dying in darfur. and i'm pretty sure they don't give a rats ass about football.
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thaw
Nov. 18, 2006, 5:34 p.m.well, from what i read in the story, it's a pretty one sided fight. should we say, maybe, "ethnic cleansing" and the sudanese gov't doesn't seem to want the UN to have much of a hand in "peacekeepping".
so, it's time to step in and stop the senceless killing of these people. what the %^$& is wrong with us to just sit back and talk "sports" while innocent people are dying.
things just seem a little too important in afgh. & iraq.
i'm ashamed to be a part of this ignorance.
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farmerman
Nov. 18, 2006, 5:44 p.m.Thaw
There were many innocent people dying in Iraq under Saddam. But all you bleeding heart Liberals can think about today is that "Bush Lied". If we were to go into Sudan, within 6 months, the Left wing media and the Democratic Party would be blaming Bush and the US for killing innocent people.
No, the days of saving "innocent people" are over for awhile. Bush is smart enough not to fall into this trap. You Libs who believe the UN is the answer to the world's problems need to get behind the UN and let them do their usual good work and save the black Muslims from the Arab Muslims.
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thaw
Nov. 18, 2006, 5:57 p.m.yea? and no innocent people have died under bushes regime? where the hell have you been. but that's not what i'm whizzed about. it's the fact that NO gov't gives a crap about these people because they don't have anything of use to us, but iraqi people have oil so we can go in there and wipe out these "terrorists", huh? is bush trying to out do the number of people that saddam killed? he must be getting close by now, isn't he? he screwd off on afghanistan. guess they didn't have anything of interest to him either.
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thaw
Nov. 18, 2006, 6:07 p.m.and while i'm riled...
i don't remember saying anything about bush lying...
i don't like the guy, that's no secret. but i wasn't cutting him up til you brought it up.
sincerly,
your bleeding heart liberal.
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farmerman
Nov. 18, 2006, 5:47 p.m.Gordonbjoy
No, it is a sad indictment on Sudan and Muslims, not on humanity.
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farmerman
Nov. 18, 2006, 6:25 p.m.Thaw
Innocent people died in WW2, so I guess we shouldn't have got involved. We are at war. We didn't start it and may not even win it. But at least Bush understands what we are facing. And don't think for a minute that this fight is just going to take place in Iraq and Afghanistan. So your simple little world view that if we just concentrated on Afghanistan, that we would somehow win the war on terrorism is not only misguided, but extremely dangerous. But I forgot, you are a bleeding heart Liberal and all things can be solved by talking and negotiating.
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farmerman
Nov. 18, 2006, 7:31 p.m.Thaw -- Canada has a small military, but should be capable of handling the Sudan army. Why don't you step up and help those people? Anyway, your Liberal government didn't raise a finger to help the black Muslims in Sudan.
"sometimes, there's just no talking to people." -- What is that supposed to mean? We weren't attacked by Germany or Italy, but we sure attacked them.
Cherev -- You are exactly right about no chance in hell of us helping the Sudanese, or anyone else for that matter after all the crap the Libs have dumped on Bush and this Nation over Iraq. That was the point I was trying to make to Thaw.
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Vim99
Nov. 18, 2006, 7:41 p.m.I am an American and I never had any reason to think Saddam needed to be taken out. What he might have been doing to his people had nothing to do with me and history has now borne out that he did not have anything to do with 9/11, something that matters to me and many Americans. Anyone who now, retrospectively, preaches that there was some humanitarian interest in going after Saddam (who gassed the Kurds many years before) is simply running away from the fact that the real reasons initially given do not hold up. If, on the other hand, we went after Saddma simply because he tried to kill our president's father then let us say that and not try to make a moral score out of it. We avenged our president's dad and we won. As far our security is concerned Darfur is of no consequence. They have no yellow cake. When we need an excuse to go to Iran we might suggest that they do - even then they might not merit our might.
Don't go Chiefs!!! LOL
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