News – With the additions of a few more diverse categories to assist "eyeballs" in weeding out the developments would go along way. These few suggestions on categories, eyeball experience and community interactivity...I think will help crack the proverbial nut. (note "I think" and "help")
-You can always turn the Frame Navigator off. It's under the "Settings" tab in your profile. Check the box marked "Hide the Frame Navigator". As for putting it on the bottom as opposed to the side. I don't know how that'd be done, but I'll forward it on to our development team.
-To be honest, I'm not 100% sure what you're saying here, but I believe it's "keep it clean and simple". I agree.
-You may have noticed this week that we changed up how we do tabs in the channels. We're rededicating ourselves to keeping them fresh and so far I think it's going great.
-We only have a limited space to work with, so sometimes titling tabs becomes an issue. We try to keep it the same format week in and week out so that someone knows what they're looking at.
-You called me the cool dude in the glasses, you rock. Otherwise, I have to disagree with you some here. The comparison wasn't against CNN or MSNBC, I strictly meant compared to other social news sites. And frankly, while you may get the original story in the links, hopefully what we anchors add is something more than that. For further example, look up just about anything Dakota does. Sometimes it's tangential history about the Geico lizard, sometimes it's an interview with the subject in question, but it's always original.
-The video stuff literally started this week. It's going to grow into something amazing very soon.
-You'll see something soon, I promise.
To expand on my "tech-illiterate" comment above, that's not an insult to anyone. I want someone completely alien to what we're doing to be able to sign up, log into Netscape and understand what's going on. Having never heard of social news should not be any kind of handicap here. I always try to think to myself "How would my grandma react to this? Would she get it? Would she want to use it?" And that applies to any piece of new-fangled technology I get, she's kind of my watermark for usability, that's why she just got a brand new Apple. :D
great and well thought out...too bad only one rep so far gives it a second to reply. also I beleive okitech was making the inference on comparison that nothing particular brings me back here over the traditional bookmarks first. the difference between news site and "social news site" is very thin. Excite me, save me time along with the news!
Hi all!
worker: {{get a way to conntact netscape.!!!!!!!!!!!!!}} I agree with that one! Linking friends is a good one or at least a way to send messages to multiple friends at one time.
I had a question about the point system which I may not have understood correctly. Are you suggesting giving everyone a "feedback" rating with the point system?
I do like being able to see the votes/comments on a story before I click on it.
woker: regarding story titles: There are only 3 occasions when we change titles:
1. When the title misrepresents the story as something other than it is AND we receive member complaints about it. (ie, adding OpEd / Satire / etc).
2. When the member who wrote the story asks us to fix something.
3. When a bug in the system deletes part of a title while we are adding pictures to posts. This does happen sometimes and should be fixed soon.
worker, make sure you report comments that you find that are abusive / contain "jew bashing" as you note above. You can report comments by clicking the Report button next to the comment. We remove abusive comments when we see them, but we don't always see them, and reporting them ensures that they will get our attention.
On that same note, please don't report comments just because you disagree with them. We receive lots of reported comments that don't warrant the report and that signal to noise ratio slows down our ability to remove actual abuse when it occurs.
From article: "The Community at large has asked many, many, many times for a forum directed specifically at at our community (contributors anchors, navigators, development team, etc) your total lack of response in the direction of supporting the community has really miffed a few folks. But you need to read through all the "send messages" and "story comments" to either find the remedy or the odd posting when you guys grace us with some knowledge."
People have sent me messages asking how do you do stuff or ask right on a story thread. Seems there should be FAQ or "How to get started" at least on how it works somewhere.
Glad to see a 'Block' on messages. I've gotten Spam. Why does anyone think that works? Maybe 1 in 50,000 is still better than 0.
Mamasan sent me this message in regard to a story she submitted and I voted on and commented on: "Thanks for your help. The story got tons of votes! Now this saturday morning the story is gone not only from from front page but if you check my stories submitted and look at front page stories, well it has disappeared with no record of it ever having existed anywhere! this is the second time this has happened since the cons started manipulating the system to get stories as number one.
What they do is get their small group to vote and then comment 24/7 to keep the story active.
They are changing the face of netscape with duplicity.
I am going to talk to netscape again about this( the other story that disappeared miraculously reappeared for a few hours then gone, they say they have no clue as to why this happens!)
Can I count you in to complain with me?
thanks mamasan"
This happened and I saw it on the front page last night, not an urban myth.
Hi, Virginia, I just replied to Mamasan, but I'll answer here as well. The story in question linked to a book publisher's promotional page for the book with the book for sale at the very top of the page, and as such, it qualified as spam and violated our Terms of Use. Once it was reported, I took action against the story for being spam and removed it from the system.
Regarding the group voting accusations, we are investigating this group and will take action if necessary, but we'd rather be sure of the abuse and exactly who is participating in it rather than take action against a member who just happened to get stuck in the comments of the wrong story at the same time, so please be patient as we investigate.
Virgin!
Yep no myth this is happening to stories that have a liberal view.
Also there are many fake members created to vote on the Con stories, I have the proof if anyone cares.
they discussed how to achieve this in their first stories posted.
It is really wrong.
Hey I will vote on any story that is news.
I will also comment on any story.
But when it is manipulated to appear the story is of interest to America it is just Boring.
They are stopping the free flow of conversation and dissent.
Please check it out for yourself.
Thanks C.K. for the info. So if we have a page that has story about a book and it also just happens to be on sale at that site it is a no no. Got it. I'll check my submits for what is being sold there. Most every site has something for sale like lower mortgage rate offers on money stories about what to do about lowering your mortgage rates and stuff in real estate going to tank soon etc.... That is why the stories and commercials often go together and actually are tagged to those stories because they want the eyeballs there to get even 1 of the 50,000 who would look at it instead of the 0 otherwise. IMHO mamsan's story was not spam but obviously we differ.
hey CK, I have info on the bogus netmembers shall I send it to you?
The stories need to rise and sink on thier own merit.
To have the same 10 people comment around the clock just to keep the story number one is Wrong!
Also to put up stories and then work it 24/7 is just pathetic.
Have these people no lives?
C.K. {{. . .please don't report comments just because you disagree with them.}}
I am guilty of doing this once simple because I did not realize that it goes to the netscape team. I thought it was merely a type of voting button. Maybe a pop-up as you mouse over it that explains what this is for might cut down on those?
@c.k. Checked your FAQ for how to use site. Just gives sort of a mission statement no details on how to use site. Also, your definition in Terms of Use of 'Spam' does not seem to cover what mamsan did with her submission. Is she trying to sell this book? Or is there enough of a background story here to talk about today's very important topic of 'Secret Government Prisons'. It was a lengthy article about a book that most of us will only see mentioned here. Do we need a 'Book Review' Channel or can we discuss the topic as 'Politics'?
I was directed by Ousama that the correct way to have submitted the Torture Taxi story was to use this link.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_books_blog/2006/09/cia_prisons_abr.html
Masked Protestor, since launch we've had several groups who try to game the system, by group, coordinated voting on stories along with group comments. This differs from situations where like-minded people, or even friends, naturally vote on the same story. Instead, it has more of a "one two three OKAY VOTE RIGHT NOW" thing going on. We have ways of tracking such behavior and we have to investigate whenever our internal alarms do not go off, but another member accuses a group of doing something similar.
M.P., re: 24 hour rule. Stories decay in relevance in the algorithm after 24 hours. Sometimes this will mean they will slowly drop off the page, however if there was a large number of stories in the queue for the homepage which are newer and are getting a lot of attention, sometimes it will suddenly jump off the homepage as these other stories that were waiting move to the front.
Wow, well according to some folks on here the con- (artists) are up to no good already. Fake profiles to increase voting rank, this sounds like something out of an election debacle. Alright so no more spam, it's really unhealthy and almost as bad as spinach. So about that voting thing, you know, those fancy futuristic e machines, (I'm already off topic), since no is getting busted I say we just go ahead and tally the votes and see who wins the house. The president doesn't like to wait on things like this anyway. Mission accomplished.
whew ok folks deep breath
CK: nothing but love bro just trying to help direct some of that creativism.
EdRobertsII: thank public education
Dygital, worker, Masked Protester: thanks for your input and support
On the 24hr story thing....it either gets voted on or gets replaced by something more popular coming up from the newer posts or by one deemed eyeball candy by the anchors/navigators...1 or 2 isn't bad and probably needs to be expected. just watch this one...
FAQ page: weak and has no face. so much for the social part. the "tech-illiterate" might
mamasan: Ousama mislead you the proper way would have to of had the ability for a site reader push a link to "submit to netscape" and have it done for you...that is an issue for netscape to work on. there is no reason digg, delicious etc have the ability and an organization as large as netscape doesn't.
gmailer: please fix your avatar
OK mask a question(then I gotta go)
If you look at the number 3 story right now on gitmo you can see it really has no interest by the group at large.
They also chatter about how good they have been at keeping the story alive.
There is no realy comments on the story. It is the same 10 people using a very public forum for a private chat room.
Do you agree with me on this at least?
TheDelta18: I could not agree with you more!
In defense of worker whom I met in a "kidding around" or "banter" session, he welcomed me no questions and I've seen both him and quicksilver0602 do the same thing with new posters. Come on in! Stay awhile! Is this not also part of the goal?
Nobody is excluded so when I see posters complain that some of the stories are being used for "private chat rooms" it upsets me. I've added many of the friends I now have because of that reason!
ronin -
I actually disagree with your contention that the Anchors should not vote. They may be paid, but some are on my list as friends, and they are entitled to support submissions as members of the community. I have seen them vote for stories on all sides of the political spectrum (I am presuming that the political stories sybmitted are the mnost controversial. You don't see a furor over Sarah's food submissions, for example.)
I tend to agree with The18Delta, that comments go off topic, and conversations weave in and out, just like they would at any gathering.
I have made some great friends here at Netscape, and enjoy reading and posting. I am even exposed to viewpoints that I might never see in my daily life, and isn't that the point of all this?
Besides, if you don't agree with the content of a given article, on either side, you can present your arguments one way or the other.
I don't think a lot of people are swayed by the stuff they read here anyway.
oh, and ronin -
the tone in general is improving in the various fora.
yes, the folks who keep the conversation civil tend to have a moderating effect. I like to think that I have contributed to that effort in some small way, regardless of my taunts yesterday regarding Ann Coulter.
Now if we could just get people to stop the ad hominem attacks...LOL.
If the stories stay alive Delta from comment you should know better than to use it to get a girlfriend!
also when there are lots of comments people will automatically click on the story to see if it is worth thier interest.
Hence the story is given a life it does not rightfully deserve!
Come on lets not be naive here!
((audience is still pretty unfamiliar with social news/tagging. Once we're a little more established,))
Yep, that is me, loving it though and hopefully getting better!! I am probably old enough to be your grandmother ;)
((FIX THE PAGES/COMMENTS what a pain in the but to get back to your comments...)).
((oh yea sorry.stop pinning!!!i hate that also.)) I agree, especially stories with no comments! And are the stories for cars actually advertisements??
((by clicking the Report button)) that was gone for awhile, glad to see it back
MP ((To Netscape Anchors: You are the people that directly responded to myself and many others, who complained ...contact
MP ((...our friends and vote them up. That's exactly what happened and now when someone else complains))
What is up with this!! We did as we were told,then someone messages people that they are being used by conservatives and other harassing things makes people afraid to even respond to an article. We want to offer our opinion on things, but then when we do we get nailed to the cross. Then we don't want to contribute at all and move on.
{{and to get right to it mama" what is this con crap you are always moaning about.you have a vendetta going on right)) Yep that is the one who has started this
workerïŒ( to talk laugh and kid each other about it.do we get carried away sometimes.yes.but we for dam sure have made a lot MORE FRIENDS KIDDING AROUND AND RAZZING AND REPECTING EACH OTHERS BELIEFS)) a BIG amen!! I have made more friends here than in real time!! And I like them, pro or con
((get a life)) some should know that some are handicapped and this has enriched our life
((Do you agree with me on this at least?)) mammason u wrong we look for our friends at the last place we saw them.....
Delta: ((talking a story' I will be the first to admit, when you are at 983 posts, we do begin to see if it will reach 1000, but that is what friends will do, talk to each other.)) you are so right!! And God saw that it was Good and created a chat room, we wish!!
PG ((Come on in! Stay awhile! Is this not also part of the goal?)) I do the same thing!
Oh and right Delta" especially a story that I have alot of posters, I try to help keep it real civil and friendly."
If the person agrees with you !!
Otherwise you have been one of the first to call names.
The controll you are trying to achieve can only be maintained when you post your own stories and then say "how civil we Republicans are".
This is America not every one is going to agree with you!
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Rock on okitech, we're always interested in hearing back from you guys, and (as you addressed in your suggestions) while it may not always seem like it, we are always listening.
We've got planned, scheduled definite things for probably half of the things that you mentioned on here, so keep your eyes peeled and we'll make sure you know about them. So let's go down your list.
*sidenote* you really only need to check out calacanis.com to get all of the Jason you want.
-As everyone here knows, I want more tags. While it would be great to require people to input tags, right now, our audience is still pretty unfamiliar with social news/tagging. Once we're a little more established, we may look into it more, but right now we want someone who is completely tech-illiterate to jump on and be able to get the hang of things.
-I could be wrong, but I believe that's already fixed. If not, it will be shortly.
-More on that soon, channels might get a little shakeup.
-Maps could be cool...