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Posted by: JimEspo 2 years, 1 month agoAn almost 7,000-year old stone tablet found in Bulgaria bears carvings that might turn out to be one of the world's oldest inscriptions, a prominent Bulgarian archaeologist said Thursday.
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KsBlBelle
Aug. 5, 2006, 4:10 a.m.It cracks me up when people think this world has been around for even 100,000 years.This world at the most is only 10,000 years old.
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DeadHead13
Aug. 5, 2006, 4:47 a.m.You sir, are a dolt. I find it my moral obligation to inform you of this.
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laroht67
Aug. 5, 2006, 4:58 a.m.dear KsBIBelle,
There is any logic explenation behind your interesting Theory ?
..maybe I can lern something new
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smokeyhustler
Aug. 5, 2006, 10:10 a.m.Wow, let one guy say that it makes him laugh when people believe something and you faithless people who look to science for an answer that it cannot produce jump on him like wolves on a three legged cat. The fact is there is no, excuse me, NO evidence that the world is anything over 12-15000 yrs old.
"but smokey if the world is so young, why doesnt the bible talk about dinosaurs?"
Hi, stupid, it does, do your research!
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smokeyhustler
Aug. 5, 2006, 10:21 a.m.And Deadhead,
You sir, aside from living up to that name, are a sad individual who is obviously incapable of forming any personal opinion based on research and fact and therfore depend on the liberal media to tell you what to think b/c its not "cool" to believe in Creation.
I find it MY moral obligation to inform you of this.
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jaxmanjoe
Aug. 5, 2006, 10:42 a.m.smokey hustler No evidence that the world is anything over 12-15000 years old? What are using that the world is not? The bible?
The vikings had books that said the first god was created by a giant cow licking ice. I'd believe that before the bible. The bible's been rewritten more times than any other piece of fiction in the world. Let's play a game of telephone where we try to repeat a document as large as the bible and let's pass it through as many people who have rewritten passages in the bible. Would you believe the resulting tale?
I accept scientific principles WAY before I believe the book you creationists use as a guide. I think the creationists are the 'missing link' scientists have been looking for.
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Virginia
Aug. 5, 2006, 10:45 a.m.To get to the facts of the story and the implication that these are an early form of script, it looks like design to me and does not have meaning in the same sense as script. Too many symbols to be someones mark like a potters or scribes mark. Could be doodles.
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zonkra
Aug. 5, 2006, 1:10 p.m.Wow. I wonder if Adam wrote that? Maybe it says, "Eve! Don't eat that apple!"
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DeadHead13
Aug. 5, 2006, 1:59 p.m.Smokeythehustler... Wow- nice. First off, I don't dignify such silly beliefs as yours and ksbibelle's with any kind of actual response normally, but for you I will make an exception. No evidence eh? None? Then riddle me this- where did the theory come from in the first place? I can't comprehend the degree of mental stubbornness it would take to uphold such a belief. Let us talk about the evidence shall we? Carbon dating, fossils of species over a billion years old, if your are a proponent of the "God did it" belief and believe the entire universe to be only a few thousand years old, then light coming from all starts billions of light-years away is evidence, radioactive dating of rocks and minerals, evolution, etc.
So now that we can agree that there is plenty of evidence that would support my claim that the earth is about 4.5 billion years old, it is now your burden to provide evidence supporting your assertion.
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saneman
Aug. 5, 2006, 2:32 p.m.Since the Bible tells about the world and how it began, can someone direct me to where it states that the earth orbits about the sun, and that the earth is round not flat, both of which were espoused for centuries.
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saneman
Aug. 5, 2006, 2:37 p.m.what was espoused for centuries was that the earth was the center of the universe and the earth was flat not round.
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Demerit
Aug. 5, 2006, 3:11 p.m.Hey Dave - You should stop mixing peyote in your booze - It could confuse your thinking for years - or millions of years?
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DeadHead13
Aug. 5, 2006, 3:18 p.m.David I am not quite sure what you mean by “Nothing alive today or recorded history dates past circa 10,000 years". If you are referring human documentation then of course it is no older than that- no one is claiming civilization to have existed more than 10,000 years ago. However if you are talking about fossil records than you are wrong; the Hominid fossil "Lucy" dates to be just less than 3.18 million years old. The Great Barrier Reef is actually about 500,000 years old, and while ancient civilization written history IS evidence, because nearly all civilizations have and had creation myths, the weight of that evidence is so small it could be dismissed. Regarding the lineage traces to Noah, I am very interested in what that actually entails.
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DeadHead13
Aug. 5, 2006, 3:48 p.m.I missed your comment addressing me David so I think it requires some attention.
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This is impossible. Carbon dating can only be applied to formerly living things and is only good to 50,000 years.]
I wasn't connecting the two- see the comma?
- (The Hebrews text claims that God made light in Genesis 1:3)
Oh that's convenient.
- (Radio-Isotope dating is accurate if the earth was never contaminated with foreign radioactive sources. Scientists claim asteroids hit the earth, so this is inaccurate.)
Is this an official statement or your own conclusion? The amount of foreign sources is so small compared to the earth it has little to no affect on the data.
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DeadHead13
Aug. 5, 2006, 3:48 p.m.Evolution:
The Second Law of Thermodynamics- do you know what you are talking about?
Entropy is chaos- but that law says nothing about evolution. The Second Law of Thermodynamics states that entropy increases- meaning in a system of probability, the results will follow the pattern that the probability predicts. If you flip a coin indefinitely- each reasonable outcome- heads or tails- is represented by a probability of roughly 50%. So the results will roughly reflect that probability and you will end up with about half and half.
In a world where evolution relies solely on probability the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics would make the development of species very improbable. But we do not live in this world and the 2nd Law doesn’t apply. Evolution doesn’t solely rely on probability because any positive mutation is retained while the negative ones die off.
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DeadHead13
Aug. 5, 2006, 3:49 p.m.Continued…
It is like monkeys on a typewriter- one thousand monkeys would die off before writing a Shakespearian play- but if one monkey types randomly but deletes all of the incorrect letters and keeps all of the correct ones- it would take about a day to produce that play. (This was actually done.)
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smokeyhustler
Aug. 5, 2006, 4:14 p.m.Presuming the rate of production of carbon to be constant, the activity of a sample can be directly compared to the equilibrium activity of living matter and the age calculated. Various tests of reliability have confirmed that future carbon dating will not be so reliable because of changes in the carbon isotopic mix. Therefore it can be assumed that a catastrophic event; such as the flood which is not only believed by Christians, but proven by scientific data and documented by other civilizations throughout time; can be the cause of said unreliabilities in this dating process.
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ZeroSyztem
Aug. 5, 2006, 4:48 p.m.Geologists know the Earth is about four and a half billion years old.
This is known from radiometric dating of rocks. In radiometric dating, scientists measure the amounts of different isotopes of certain elements in a rock sample. Since radioactive isotopes are known to decay at a certain constant rate, the amounts remaining in the rock will tell how old it is. For igneous rocks this is the time when it solidified from molten magma.
The oldest rocks ever found on Earth are actually slightly younger than this, about 3.8 billion years old. Most rock found on the Earth's surface is much younger because Earth's crust is "recycled" by plate tectonics. The radioactive "clock" in the rock is reset when it is melted or heated to high temperature.
So if the oldest rocks ever found on Earth are 3.8 billion years old, how do we know that the Earth is older than that?
Because we have some rocks that are not from the Earth!
Moon rocks and meteorites that have hit earth are roughly 4.5 billion yrs
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Voice
Aug. 5, 2006, 4:51 p.m.It is silly to me that Creationism has become synonymous with stubborn ignorance, and Evolution synonymous with enlightenment and intelligence. First, I don't see how the two theories can't coexist, since one is more of a “why†and the other a “how.†It would be an insult to God to believe God isn’t smart enough to come up with such a concept. Can YOU make a fish and turn it into a land animal? With both sides expanding their understanding and humbling themselves to admit that perhaps, they are human and don't know everything, perhaps we can reconcile the childish banter on these posts.
First, let's recall that the Bible has been a source of inspiration, wisdom, and communication to millions throughout thousands of years, and should never be dismissed as "just another book." It has circulated throughout thousands of societies and remained relevant to the readers; I doubt that modern fiction likely enjoyed by the scientific set would be so versatile. (Continued)
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Voice
Aug. 5, 2006, 4:51 p.m.Could it then, perhaps, have been written in terms that every human society could understand? Any student of the Bible knows that there are an infinite number of layers to the texts, and it is impossible to take things literally throughout the whole text. (Check out Song of Solomon—many, if not most, protestant churches say it’s not intended to be taken literally, but as a metaphor for God and the church, so if one book can be taken figuratively, others can too, and who are we to decide which is which?)
Remember, too, that even Einstein believed that time is relative, and perhaps a “day†as mentioned in the Bible is a God-day, rather than a human day, and a God-year different from a human year. Based on solar orbit, a day is different on each of the planets, and I would be interested to know if the Hebrew “day†used in the Bible could also mean “period of time.†(Continued)
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Voice
Aug. 5, 2006, 4:52 p.m.In any case, the only things that qualify as ignorant in this conversation are assuming something doesn’t exist just because you haven’t seen it (i.e. God), and assuming that because you are a rational human being with the capacity to think critically, that you know the definitive answer to everything. It amazes me how people become fixated on evolution as if it were the most important scientific theory out there. I think the laws of physics, thermodynamics, string theory, and other theories based upon mathematics are a testament to the amazing ingenuity and craftsmanship of a Creator, and even the scientists themselves are constantly seeking better and greater explanations rather than fixating on one theory and defending it to the death. There are plenty of holes in the 160-year old theory, and it’s time we take a step back and acknowledge the possibility that it is an incomplete theory, and that perhaps, it’s not the most important thing to spend bumper sticker space on.
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jrlecato
Aug. 5, 2006, 6:14 p.m.sageparadex
Your comments were very funny!!!!! I wonder how they will explain the million year old bones of a woman and the fact that she was found in Africa, not Jerusalem??????
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jrlecato
Aug. 5, 2006, 6:24 p.m.voice
Silence, Listen if your correct then the test we use to determine wehter or not your bible is as old as you say is incorrect? Modern math and science are the reason you can post your opinion on the web?
Modern math and science are just in their being, true? If not, than why does my tv work? why does my car or anything for that matter? No, not devine intervention! Just SCIENCE!!!!
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