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Posted by: sfraise77 2 years, 1 month agoWith the "Hitler-like" rhetoric coming from Iran's president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and his denial of the Jewish holocaust seems to have German chancellor Angela Merkel screaming for action.
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Speaker of the Dead
July 18, 2006, 7:38 p.m.Germany looking to start a third world war? No, they simply don't want the hate that scars their country's past to be brought back from the dead, I agree, if someone must do it, they are one of the best choices.
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FAIR AMERICAN
July 18, 2006, 8 p.m.I think that it would be stupid for Germany to attack a nation preemptively. That will only add fuel to the fire and it might cause a response from all nations that don't agree with their politics. Small army's have defeated large army's in the past, and powerful nations should not get fooled into believing that they can't be defeated. I feel that you should start wars when you have to; not when you want to prove a point. There is to many human lives at stake.
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Speaker of the Dead
July 18, 2006, 8:11 p.m.I'm not saying it's right to go in without just cause, I'm simply saying that Germany is one of the few countries who, in the case of a truly anti-semetic action in Iran would have the right to put a just stop to it.
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sfraise77
July 18, 2006, 8:17 p.m.Fair American's comment reminds me of the Neville Chamberlain mindset of appeasment durring the rise of NAZI Germany. This excerpt from German Chancellor Angela Merkel is exactly the reason why Germany must and will lead the world in defusing the Iran situation - "Now we see that there were times when we could have acted differently. For that reason Germany is obliged ... to make clear (to Iran) what is permissible and what isn’t."
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Illuminate
Dec. 13, 2006, 12:49 a.m.Nuke the Iranians
Kick their collective kiesters.
Gimme a G-E-R-M-A-N-
Y- because Bigots and Racist need to be ethically cleansed
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CaptainAmerica
July 18, 2006, 8:27 p.m.hey fair american what more of a reason than the posibility of a nation with a crazed leader on the nuclear button, do you need to attack? do you wait for them to fire first? or do you stratigically strike limiting the possibility of their attack?
i say germany attack and keep the tyrant at bay.
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CaptainAmerica
July 18, 2006, 8:29 p.m.the line has to be drawn and enforced. the time for talking is over.
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sfraise77
July 18, 2006, 8:48 p.m.Awsome point CaptainAmerica! Here's the rest of the excerpt from the German Chancellor I posted above - "Iran has blatantly crossed the red line," Merkel said. "I say it as German chancellor. A president that questions Israel’s right to exist, a president that denies the Holocaust, cannot expect to receive any tolerance from Germany."
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Sandokan
July 18, 2006, 9:29 p.m.The CDU/CSU Party in Germany didn't have enough votes to rule by themselves. They required the "Gross (big) Koalition" with SPD to form the government. Angela Merkel's CDU had to make many concessions in order for her to become the Prime Minister. Regardless of what she says, without SPD, FDP and PDS to back her ...Germany will and would never be able to declare war or deploy troops without explicit permission from those parties. And they would never allow it. There is a current investigation going on involving the Foreign Ministry (equivilent to our State Department), Intelligence sharing during the outbreak of the Iraq conflict - with the US and the kidnapping of a German naturalized citizen (from the Mideast) by the CIA. This attitude is what Merkel would have to get by in order to declare war against Iran. In other words, it will never happen. After having lived in Germany for over 20 years, it would be just a pipe dream to imagine Germany being the aggressor again.
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sfraise77
July 18, 2006, 10:38 p.m.Lol, so I own an insurance agency. This makes me unable to have a coherent thought or write an article?
I guess I didn't realize that you had to be a Pulitzer prize winning reporter to write an article and submit it on Netscape.
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Musi
July 18, 2006, 11:56 p.m.Iranian President’s questions about holocaust are controversial, yet have valid points. There are shadows remained over the tragedy yet to clarify. The West rhetoric always avoid the substantial issue and are more to emotional angers and suspicions. Iran never threatens to strike Germany nor any other countries. In fact US has dropped atomic bomb twice in Japan and none guarantees It won’t do it again somewhere. That would be a lot more destructive and scary!! France President has stated they have a full right to first nuke any other country if needed. It is a clear example to the whole world that “power†is everything. If US, Germany, France, Israel, etc, have that right, why can't any other countries??? This kind of double standards make the Non-Proliferation Treaty look ridiculous and make a country like Iran even more determined to their nuclear program. The world leaders must tackle the root problems, not the superficial ones, so that the world peace is not just an utopia.
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Illuminate
Dec. 13, 2006, 12:55 a.m.Take the Revisionist Holocasut rhetoric someplace where its relevant- the trashcan
It happened (3 or 6 million died) the exact facts are irrelevant it happened. Get over it. Make sure it never happens again. End of story, No valid points.
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Shortstack
July 19, 2006, 12:01 a.m.This is a plesant thought but after all that has happened to Germany in the last century the people have no taste for war nor the domestic will to start one on
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Shortstack
July 19, 2006, 12:04 a.m.This is a plesant thought but after all that has happened to Germany in the last century the people have no taste for war nor the domestic will to start one on "principal". Germany today no doubt has the military might to hand Iran some serious punishment. That much is very true. And make no mistake about it, the German people would fight like poet warriors if attacked by a foreign power. But to think they would agree with Government starting a foreign war is beyond reason. In the end it is up to America to hold the line and confront Iran's radical leadership. With Merkales ability to reach her peoples that could well be the leverage she would need to turn Germany in a new historical direction and place it squarely at the forefront of Leadership in the both the EU and the New World Order. I do believe in that case the heart and sole of the people would agree and throw their full support behind a calling to a higher cause. Germans have earned the right to hate war! Respect that.
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RegularJoe
July 19, 2006, 12:34 a.m.Do not have a problem with the US or Germany dropping nukes all over Iran.
Would find it quite funny if FRANCE did.
Nuke 'em and we don't have to hear any more crazy BS from them. We can spend some time apologizing to whoever feels they need an apology the for wiping them off the earth.
I have had enough of this PC crap.
Go France! Drop the bomb!
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Illuminate
Dec. 13, 2006, 12:56 a.m.Maybe drop some wine first isnt alcohol a sin or something, too???
A couple campaigne, brognac and A Bomb cocktails for the dicktator
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shaikh maat
July 19, 2006, 2:03 a.m.ok musi you make a point that it is a double standard which is very hypocritical but countries get very nervous when a nation like iran, who has a history of supporting terrorist attacks and publicly desires to remove a group of people from the earth, gains the power to actually cause a great deal of damage. Many nations and people believe that Iran should not have the power to start nuclear war because it is unpredictable what iran will do with this capability.
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Musi
July 19, 2006, 2:12 a.m.EdRobert: The holocaust did happen. For that the world has deep sympathy. Mr. Nejad just has some questions to be clarified objectively, such as: what is the actual number of victims compared to the proof obtained today? After gone through that horrible event, is now Israel having all the right to kill, bomb and destroy the Palestinian land/people, up to whatever extend that only Israel knows? Why is it now the Palestinians and the Lebanese who must burden the sin of holocaust? They have nothing to do with it. The Germany (Hitler) who did it to Israel; etc. This is a very emotional and sensitive issue, and easily convoluted with other political interests. The war of statement is nothing new. Now the discussed topic whether Germany should go to real war with Iran seems too exaggerated.
saikh maat: Thanks.
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Illuminate
Dec. 13, 2006, 1:01 a.m.What does it matter if it was 3, 3 million or 6 million. Israel isnt justifying kicking the ****** out of Hams and Hezbollah because the were almost extreminated by the Germans.
The Israel-Lebanon-Terrorist men-a-trois has nothing to do with how many or whether all the facts of the holocaust happened?
The Iranians conference is nothing but a racist, hatemongering, bigotry loving ignorant sleazefest
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Montaii
July 19, 2006, 2:40 a.m.I still don't see why denying that something happened is such a serious offense.
At the end of the day we all have a right to believe what we want to. If someone wants to go test an old gas chamber for residual "whatever's" then let them!
If someone wants to yank a ship from the bed of the sea to prove that slaves where shackled, then let them!
If someone wants to prove that Jesus Christ was Black and married to Mary Magdalene, then let them.
Since when is history controlled, and since when are people so scared of what people may or may NOT discover?
Unless of course, the truth is being padded a wee bit, for the sake of sympathy.
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TheLegendary
July 19, 2006, 5:33 a.m.Only the USA declares war based on rhetoric not actual threats. The whole basis for this article is ca ca. Just call Iran a doodyhead and be done with it.
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TheLegendary
July 19, 2006, 5:44 a.m.An old whatever, is there's nothing more dangerous than a six foot tall baby, because despite his size, you cannot reason with it. I do not know how the current leader in Iran got to this point, career-wise, but he is esssentially a demogoqueic, ignorant second-world cockroach - with possible nuclear weapons. And therefore this jerk has to be dealt with on the world stage as if he had the savvy of an FDR or a Churchill.
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Phalanx
July 19, 2006, 6:33 a.m.I must agree, although this article does bring up a topic for discussion, I do not believe it should be listed in such a way as to be confused with actual news. Personal opinion statements and personal ideas should be posted somewhere else. As far as the topic goes, I agree that although the Chancelor has made some hardline statements, it would be next to impossible to get the German government all on board. Everyone is going to keep playing the "cut it out, or else game" right up until Iran's real intentions are revealed. Will it be to late??
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farhad
July 19, 2006, 8:06 a.m.im iranian and i say ahmadi nejad is not hitler like and hi is very weak president.
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Rescue41
July 19, 2006, 10:28 a.m.Musi, you state many nations want to have power so why can't Iran??? Nations such as the U.S. Germany, France,etc. that have or crave power are civilzed societies. You can't allow governments such as Iran or North Korea to gain nuclear power because they have no control or discipline and don't care what they do with that power once they get it! You wouldn't give a lunatic a loaded gun and let him walk the streets freely, would you???
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2Labs
July 19, 2006, 12:44 p.m.Nuclear weapons are a detterent. The U.S. has used them in only two wars. The first war in which they were used is WWII and they effectively ended the war. The second war was the cold war where none of the weapons were detonated. My point is why do so many people assume that in the event of a war there would be a use of nuclear arms by the U.S. or any other democratic state?
Both the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. have showed constraint. We could have dropped a couple in the middle east and been done with it, but we didn't.
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Broad Ley
July 19, 2006, 12:58 p.m.I find nothing egregious about the submitted story Mr. Roberts. If it is true and accurate it is newsworthy.
However, I realize your point concerning just anyone writing in and posting a news item.
If you do not know their association or their aim it could be more of a subjective viewpoint and not a accurate report. Point taken.
To one the posting the story it is better to see his point and not be personally hit by such an acerbic observation. He had an expectation which was suddenly usurped with a new format and he is rightfully disturbed in how Netscape presented its new format. Your story, however, was well done and honest as I see it. He was not against you, but had issue with the common associational quality based on knowledge of the issuer of the news. It is a change of great dimension. Shocking in fact, as we are all aware concerning our Netscape. They just shoved it out there and said 'This is what you get, accept or not, it is what it is.' Rather, that was implied.Sa LaVie!
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Broad Ley
July 19, 2006, 1:13 p.m.In comment on this story I see manipulation to a conflict which, it seems is wanted by the ruling governments. Not wanted by the populace of those countries. Governments do not represent the views of the people ever. Yet, what they think is best for them. Like a parent. All governments work that way. Some better, some much worse. In the midst of it every government has graft and corruption. It is up to the people of the land to extricate the virulent ineptitude they discover. The government will be as good as the people are watchful over it. If not watchful, special interests, power mongers or thieves will rule. So, if a government wants to subvert a people there are many ways to do it. Wealth being the most effective. Apart from that, emotional trauma and a common cause. Fear of the destruction of their way of life. You see these being used. So, you know the outcome. Iran, has begun something they think they control. How sad! They have opened a door soon they will wish they hadn't!
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echn111
July 19, 2006, 2:28 p.m.Interesting way of promoting an insurance site. But it's still an article, albeit written in a less than completely serious manner hence the provocative and catchy title. A refreshing change from the CNN stuff.
Anyway, my view is that the German psyche is still too conflicted to do anything here - the Left will argue with the Right, everyone will make some noises, but in the end, there wouldn't be any real action. It wouldn't be Germany that makes the first move.
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